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Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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What are some good dry fly patterns that do not use hackle? I am really no good at tying in hackle and I definitely need some work on that. I've been tying some pale morning duns and they have been coming out great -- any other good dry flys that dont use hackle?

Posted on: 2009/4/6 14:02
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Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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Get some CDC and deer hair. CDC flies and comparaduns work well. Just modify the colors, and you can tie any pattern you want.

Posted on: 2009/4/6 14:12


Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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i have deer hair -- thats what i have been using for the featers of my PMD's -- i'm not entirely sure what you mean here though

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Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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like this....

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Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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but say i were tying an adams --- wouldnt the fact that i wouldnt have hackle on the bottom of the fly effect its flotation?

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Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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the cdc will keep it afloat. Sometimes when the body sits low in the film and the wing sticks up out of the water, fish like it better. Sure hackle would help. I uses cdc and still usually tie it parachute style. That sits low and floats really well, but you are trying to avoid hackle, right?

Posted on: 2009/4/6 14:26


Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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Yeah, comparaduns and cdc flies float lower, much like a parachute fly. I've caught more fish on a parachute adams anyway.

The real question is why you hate hackling so much. Do you have decent quality feathers? I hated it too, until I got some good saddles.

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Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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tom: yea, for right now at least --- i ve gotten halfway decent at some nymphs that i've tried, done ok with streamers, and doing well with drys that dont use hackle, so I basically just want to keep tying and working on getting better without getting frustrated because i cant tie in the hackle (thats my main problem, i ve watched a ton of videos, i just cant tie the hackle in when i have it at the hook eye) - so basically, i just want some dry patterns i can work on without using hackle

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jay: well i kind of touched on it in my last post -- but i have not been able to tie the hackles in --- i've been using hackle pliers and have tried multiple times - i just dont have the hang of it yet -- i am using my dads old feathers ( they are probably about 10-15 years old) - but they are still in pretty good shape as far as I can tell --- they are rooster saddle feathers -- if that helps -- but yea, for right now - me and hackles dont get along

Posted on: 2009/4/6 14:31


Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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Here are some articles- sitting lower in the film can be very desirable. Wish I could offer more first hand assistance but I have troubles of my own.... Here are some ideas on no hackle flies.

http://www.flytyer.com/index.php?opti ... sk=view&id=1616&Itemid=90

http://www.jeffwilkinsflytying.com/Dry_Flies.html

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Re: Non-Hackle Dry Flys

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I don't understand your problem with tying the hackle in. Can you be more specific about that? I'm sure someone here could help.

Posted on: 2009/4/6 14:33


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jayL wrote:
I don't understand your problem with tying the hackle in. Can you be more specific about that? I'm sure someone here could help.


ok -- well maybe i should clarify -- i can tie the first part in , before i start wrapping it -- that is no problem ... so i tie it in , start wrapping... and say i'm trying to tie an adams... once i get the hackle up to the tip of the hook, near the hook eye, i cant tie it in there... for some reason i can tie the hackle in without either #OOPS#ing up the hackle that is already wrapped around, or without it looking like a total mess.... if i do get it tied in, its not very reliable... many have just come apart on me


get it? i know i didnt do a real good job of explaining it,,haha

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I have no idea if it's the "correct" way, but here's how I do it:

I lay the feather on the hook and tie it in pointing back, toward the bend of the hook.

I wrap it forward to the eye until satisfied. At this point, I lift the hackle pliers and remainder of the hackle straight up and wrap it about 4 times with thread. Then I trim the feather and tie in the head.

It takes some practice, but it works.

Posted on: 2009/4/6 14:51


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do you have the underfeather pointing up or the top of the feather pointing up?

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