PFBC Meets Tomorrow Regarding Stocking Over Class A Populations

It appears I was mistaken
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Mostly, except Old Forge-style pizza. 🤣
The popularity of Old Forge pizza with the amount Coal Miners in that region, coupled with the effects of coal mining on trout populations that needed to be supplemented with stocking is a "correlation" I never expected.
 
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Let us not forget that the Potter County Anglers Club hatchery which is located on Freeman Run, had an infestation of gill lice (Salmincola edwardsii) from fish that it purchased from a private facility. The introduction of this, can’t be doing the brook trout any favors.
wich private hatchery were they purchasing gill lice infested trout from???? i was always under the impression that a coop hatchery was not allowed to obtain trout from anywheres but the pfbc for thier facilities, i believe the club up there has not had brook trout since 2019
 
wich private hatchery were they purchasing gill lice infested trout from???? i was always under the impression that a coop hatchery was not allowed to obtain trout from anywheres but the pfbc for thier facilities, i believe the club up there has not had brook trout since 2019
Rainbow paradise.

They no longer have brook trout because of the gill lice detection. They would have been detected sometime around 2017-2018.
 
lest we not forget they granted an exemption upon section 3 a couple years back on a stream north of my cabin on Big Moores Run it was a class a wild brook and brown trout stream and now allows a business to stock it and charge people 250 bucks a day to catch and release only and no benefit to the fishermen of pa whatsoever i believe this stream is also a border stream with pa state forest lands and i hear but not sure if true the trout unlimited group up there holds events at the location and purchases trout from them for thier tu chapter stockings
 
lest we not forget they granted an exemption upon section 3 a couple years back on a stream north of my cabin on Big Moores Run it was a class a wild brook and brown trout stream and now allows a business to stock it and charge people 250 bucks a day to catch and release only and no benefit to the fishermen of pa whatsoever i believe this stream is also a border stream with pa state forest lands and i hear but not sure if true the trout unlimited group up there holds events at the location and purchases trout from them for thier tu chapter stockings
Gross.
 
Here is a piece from the 1959 PA Angler magazine about this subject, which illustrates that the more things change, the more they stay the same sometimes. This was a pretty insightful article 65 years ago, and still is today.
Excellent article, written in 1959, the same year that Trout Unlimited was formed. These things were already well understood that far back.

And even earlier. A Park Service biologist was writing about wild trout management in the 1940s, and the Park Service began phasing out the hatcheries in Yellowstone Park around then.

Can you imagine PA Angler publishing an article like this today?
 
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Excellent article, written in 1959, the same year that Trout Unlimited was formed. These things were already well understood that far back.

And even earlier. A Park Service biologist was writing about wild trout management in the 1940s, and the Park Service began phasing out the hatcheries in Yellowstone Park around then.

Can you imagine PA Angler publishing an article like this today?
I can't.
We are discussing stocking class A's in 2025.
 
Here is a piece from the 1959 PA Angler magazine about this subject, which illustrates that the more things change, the more they stay the same sometimes. This was a pretty insightful article 65 years ago, and still is today.
Dear moorestowngreg,

Thanks for posting this article. Pee-Aye is such a wonderfully progressive state, sixty-six years later the decision makers at the PFBC are still ignoring the science. It makes me sooooo proud! 😉

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
Thanks for posting this article.
Tim Murphy-glad you and others liked it. I want to thank you for something you did for me around 25 years ago. I used to do business in Bloomsburg and would stay in the area overnight. I fished Fishing Creek quite a bit but when the middle of the summer arrived, I was looking for something different that was within driving distance for evening fishing, and you gave me a couple of ideas that took me somewhere new and had cool water in July and August. So here's my chance to say thanks for that back then!
 
Needham is a good lineage for trout behavioral studies.
His father was pretty good at aquatic insects as well!
Loved reading their works for reference and learning about aquatic communities.

Check them out, starting with this site regarding Paul Needham. Provides some background and how he and dad were affiliated with Cornell University.


Also, I had a radio program - brief because was not profitable - and interviewed a retired biologist up in Erie who was involved with the state's first attempts at raising trout for stocking.
He told me that the first attempts were with wild trout, but they didn't survive well in raceways.
According to him (whose name evades me and he has since died since we talked), the flood of 1936 wiped out the raceway efforts and the Commission then imported hatchery-suitable, selected rainbow trout.
I believe he said they were from Virginia.

However, he's gone and the validity of his words cannot be done.

A neighbor in the village in which I was raised operated a very small trout raising operation in a very early created "spring house". It still stands but was converted into a small business rental. Nice Victorian -probably earlier - building. Very large for a spring house. This one seemed to be preserved for drinking water, rather that also trenched for cooling milk.
He stripped eggs and sperm and contained them in wire boxes suspended above the boiling-like spring water. He also built a field stone raceway, wired to segment the different sizes.
He showed me the whole setup. It was about at most three football fields away from my house. He lived two houses away, at the end of the road.
He also bred his own palominos, before the state stocked them from the lineage that became the state stocking breed.
The trout he had came from Pacific sea-run rainbows, and they did not do well at all as far as staying where they were stocked.
They would be heading downstream quickly. Very quickly.
But they were very bright red beautiful and served the very, very local village sportsman's club well.






 
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