troutslammer
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i use gps to get there , find the tribs etc from the delorme ,
DeLorme PA Atlas & Gazetteer
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ryguyfi
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I realized on Saturday that my 9th edition was actually a 7th edition. Comparing mine to jrcll's (don't remember which his was) I liked how the streams and roads were labeled better in mine, but he had topography in his which is a nice addition. For those who have several editions, which one do you prefer, or what qualities do you have in yours that has changed over the years - good or bad?
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wildtrout2
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I've got the 2000 6th edition (I know I'm old) and shows some topography. It sure has the "cricks". Very detailed. I'm glad mine's still in nice shape because I'm getting jerked around trying to get a pre 2010 edition as a back up.
JakesLeakyWaders
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If I could have it my way I would like to keep the dark shaded relief of the mountains, the topo lines that are in feet, (not meters), and the highlighted (in green) state forests and SGL's boundaries, which are all present in the new version.
These are all changes that I welcome.
I would have liked to keep the roads,(which were thin red lines), the same as in older versions however, because they were thinner and took up less space on the map.
However overall other than the color of the roads and the space they take up on the map, I am satisfied with the new version.
I noticed they changed the labeling of most back roads from an SR or T, (State road #) ,(Township road #), to an actual name such as Butterfield Rd. or Piney Rd. as opposed to names such as T4002 or SR492.
Lets just hope the signs have the road name and not the SR or T#'s.
(Again I really appreciate the extra shading and relief look and the outlined and highlighted game lands and state forests on the newer version!!!)
Even if my map says the T or SR number, and my map doesn't I usually dont miss a turn, and get it right the first time anyway, because I pay attention to details on the map, like estimated distances between turnoffs and towns, or sharp bends in the road etc.
These are all changes that I welcome.
I would have liked to keep the roads,(which were thin red lines), the same as in older versions however, because they were thinner and took up less space on the map.
However overall other than the color of the roads and the space they take up on the map, I am satisfied with the new version.
I noticed they changed the labeling of most back roads from an SR or T, (State road #) ,(Township road #), to an actual name such as Butterfield Rd. or Piney Rd. as opposed to names such as T4002 or SR492.
Lets just hope the signs have the road name and not the SR or T#'s.
(Again I really appreciate the extra shading and relief look and the outlined and highlighted game lands and state forests on the newer version!!!)
Even if my map says the T or SR number, and my map doesn't I usually dont miss a turn, and get it right the first time anyway, because I pay attention to details on the map, like estimated distances between turnoffs and towns, or sharp bends in the road etc.
Acristickid
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I have stood on my gazetteer to change out of my waders. Not recommended- wore a hole through a couple pages.
dryflyguy
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Akid - after checking out the 10th edition that I got by mistake from Amazon - it may as well be used for changing your waders on.
Wildtrout - I'm getting jerked around also. When I e-mailed the co. that I bought it from thru amazon, some guy - the owner I assume - e-mailed back. Gave me his cell phone # and asked me to call him.
So I talked to him, and he said that he's trying to find me an earlier edition. When I asked him where I should return the unwanted 10th edition, he told me not to worry about it. He would just sent me another, older edition anyway. I think I'm going to complain to Amazon
Wildtrout - I'm getting jerked around also. When I e-mailed the co. that I bought it from thru amazon, some guy - the owner I assume - e-mailed back. Gave me his cell phone # and asked me to call him.
So I talked to him, and he said that he's trying to find me an earlier edition. When I asked him where I should return the unwanted 10th edition, he told me not to worry about it. He would just sent me another, older edition anyway. I think I'm going to complain to Amazon
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Figured I would bump this after checking the 10th edition, which was sent to me instead of the 9th.
In addition to the criticisms above, this map might flat out steer you wrong on how to get to streams. There were a number of roads shown in Michaux State Forest, for example, that simply don't exist. They aren't even fire or logging roads.
If you were using the map and didn't already know the terrain, it would be exasperating to say the least, since the road you expected to take to get to the stream simply isn't there.
How many other parts of the state are similarly misrepresented is what you have to wonder.
So, if you were asking yourself, "How bad could it be?" you don't want to find out the hard way.
In addition to the criticisms above, this map might flat out steer you wrong on how to get to streams. There were a number of roads shown in Michaux State Forest, for example, that simply don't exist. They aren't even fire or logging roads.
If you were using the map and didn't already know the terrain, it would be exasperating to say the least, since the road you expected to take to get to the stream simply isn't there.
How many other parts of the state are similarly misrepresented is what you have to wonder.
So, if you were asking yourself, "How bad could it be?" you don't want to find out the hard way.
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Bump. Members new to the area who may be gearing up for the new season should consider the critiques above.
Just one more example: A recent discussion on Conewago Creek in Adams county mentions a private fishing club in the Narrows section of this stream. If you look for it using the 10th edition, you probably won't find it since it's incorrectly labeled as the Conococheague.
Just one more example: A recent discussion on Conewago Creek in Adams county mentions a private fishing club in the Narrows section of this stream. If you look for it using the 10th edition, you probably won't find it since it's incorrectly labeled as the Conococheague.
wildtrout2
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You should have bought that 7th edition. Hell, I'd have given you $30 for it and I've already got one. ;-)
wildtrout2
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Yes, that edition is out of date, but it's more accurate and detailed than the new edition! They closed the K-Mart in my area, or I'd look there.
ryguyfi,
I might want to get one. Ask them if they will reduce the price, since the current edition is the 10th edition.
Also, if you get back to the store, could you look to see if the 7th edition has "shaded relief" also called "terrain shading", or not? Shaded relief is that screen tint they use to show the shape of the mountains.
I prefer the DeLormes without terrain shading. My 4th edition does not have terrain shading. But it is nearly worn out. The 9th edition does have terrain shading.
I think the ideal DeLorme would be the last edition before they went to terrain shading. But I'm not sure in which edition they added that. Does anyone know?
Terrain shading has the benefit of allowing you to easily see the shape of the mountains, valleys etc. But it has the disadvantage of blocking up the map, making it more difficult to see the small stream and road lines and small type. Very subtle terrain shading can be OK. But usually it is done in a heavy handed way and obscures a lot of detail.
Maybe I should start a website called DeLormeConosseiur.com. If I could figure out how to spell connoiseur I might do that.
wildtrout2
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TB, I have the 6th edition and it has the shading (which I personally like), but it isn't prohibitive (for me) to seeing/reading anything on the map. I do use my reading glasses, but I use them with topos as well. :lol:
Thanks for the info on the terrain shading on the 6th edition. That narrows it down. The 4th edition does not have it. So they either added it on the 5th or 6th.
I use reading glasses, too. I haven't graduated to the illuminated magnifying glass yet, like some of my fishing buddies, but I may do that soon.
I use reading glasses, too. I haven't graduated to the illuminated magnifying glass yet, like some of my fishing buddies, but I may do that soon.
