DeLorme PA Atlas & Gazetteer

I've got an older one that never leaves the car.

Flybop,
I have used two dash GPS units, and both of them did well on back roads. The one even sent me down rupp hollow during the penns drakes, which I told you about. If it knew that bog of an old road, it knows them all. I think Maurice has the same model.

I currently have a different model that I have yet to take off road much. I will let you know.

I also got a waterproof handheld topo GPS unit for christmas, and will be messing with that extensively this year.
 
The problem with the dash units is they have every road that ever existed in many cases, including ones that are not safe for travel. I have seen several instances up here where old forestry roads, that are closed, showed up and someone got very stuck following the unit.

In addition to being stuck, the people had to explain why they were on a closed road and did not have the sense to stop when it turned to hell. The answer was I was following my gps unit and it showed this road coming out on another road.
 
The problem with the dash units is they have every road that ever existed in many cases, including ones that are not safe for travel. I have seen several instances up here where old forestry roads, that are closed, showed up and someone got very stuck following the unit.

*cough* Bald Eagle State Forest *cough*

The unit says "turn here" and the road is nothing more than a walking path. At least some of the closed roads are blocked off in BESF. Ironically, the GPS often self-corrects to yet another closed road...

But on the flip side, the GPS units can make it really easy to find some out-of-the-way places.

Kev
 
PennKev wrote:
The problem with the dash units is they have every road that ever existed in many cases, including ones that are not safe for travel. I have seen several instances up here where old forestry roads, that are closed, showed up and someone got very stuck following the unit.

*cough* Bald Eagle State Forest *cough*

The unit says "turn here" and the road is nothing more than a walking path. At least some of the closed roads are blocked off in BESF. Ironically, the GPS often self-corrects to yet another closed road...

Kev


"The map is not the landscape." 🙂

That's an old cartography saying, and it's true.
 
salmonoid wrote:
Not to send this thread down a rabbit trail, but who actually buys the items that are grossly overpriced? Example is the last "New" 9th edition Gazetteer in the Amazon listing, which costs:

$145.81
+ $3.99shipping

I see stuff listed on Ebay like that from time to time - five to ten times the street price. What possesses sellers to list stuff at such hyperinflated prices? Does someone accidentally buy these items?

A lot of times those items that are grossly overpriced are just advertisements for something else. They don't really have the product. Like for instance this may be an ad for a fishing trip, or a vacation to some remote place in PA and there's a link the their site. They use this as free advertising because it stays on the site a while for free because no one buys the overpriced product. I don't know if they are taken off eventually by the website, but I've seen many of these on Ebay.
 
Just ran out to the car..I've got the 2003 PA Delorme..Love it, coffee stains and all...
 
I have the new, reformatted one, and I agree that has been downgraded when it comes to outdoors travel. It does seem to be going more in the direction of a road map.
 
I have the old one and some pages are faded from the sun and being in the car. Some have beer stains and others have coffee stains.

After this thread im going out and finding the old edition and buying 2 copies.

BEST map ever made for PA wild trout fishing and exploring.
 
salvelinusfontinalis wrote:
I have the old one and some pages are faded from the sun and being in the car. Some have beer stains and others have coffee stains.

After this thread im going out and finding the old edition and buying 2 copies.

BEST map ever made for PA wild trout fishing and exploring.

I couldn't agree more!
 
Delorme Atlas is $20 at the sportsmans guide.FYI GG
 
I have several version, dating back to about 2000. I had an original they dated from about 1989, 90. It was worn out. I use the older ones almost exclusively because for me they are easier to read and find streams. Many of the streams on the older versions are not on the newest version. There are names that are wrong, but I do like the larger print. The whole reason I like them was the detail of streams which is lacking in the new version. Unless they fix the issues with this version, I'm going to find a different set of maps the next time I update my book.
 
Here's a review of the DeLorme Tenth Edition from Amazon's website. The reviewer has found serious problems with the 10th edition also, and also recommends getting the earlier editions.

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2.0 out of 5 stars 10th Edition (2007): Many Unacceptable Errors, November 26, 2008
By doomsdayer520
(Since AMZN seems to use the same listing for all editions of the DeLorme Pennsylvania Atlas & Gazetteer, here I am reviewing the 10th Edition.)

I am a huge fan of DeLorme's topographic atlases, which are indispensable for backroad travel and finding outdoor recreation opportunities, while the topographic detail really creates an understanding of the landscape. This latest (2007) edition for Pennsylvania indicates a switch in format, from the basic red lines for all roads to the more colorful representations of different categories of roads and easier-to-read labels for features of interest. However, something has gone seriously wrong with accuracy in this edition, and those familiar with the previous Pennsylvania editions (not to mention the state itself) will notice the problems very quickly.

DeLorme is usually diligent about the accuracy of its maps, but any sharp-eyed traveler will notice many, many errors in this edition. And strangely, most of them represent the cartographic situation several decades ago. Apparently DeLorme has reverted to direct modifications of existing USGS maps, which for many parts of Pennsylvania have not been updated by the feds for many years. Therefore, recent developments are missing for wide areas of the state. This is especially perplexing because the previous DeLorme editions for Pennsylvania were much more accurate and showed more cartographic research on then-recent developments. But the 10th edition presents a bizarre reversion to past realities, with a dismissal of DeLorme's own previous cartography.

Here are just a few examples among a great many, all of which depict information from old non-updated USGS maps. Many defunct state highways are labeled with route numbers here, such as PA 364 in Centre County (decommissioned in 1992) and a segment of PA 86 in Erie County (decommissioned in 1983). These defunct state routes and others were not marked as such in the last several DeLorme Pennsylvania editions. In Tioga County, PA 414 in Blackwell depicts the path of an old bridge that was replaced sometime in the 1990s. Around my residence in State College, there have been many new roads constructed in the past 6-7 years. Some are illustrated in this atlas but some are not, and the difference is a boundary line between two USGS maps - just one of which was recently updated by the feds.

This atlas also lists as "towns" any feature of interest from the USGS maps, such as Lebo Vista on top of a mountain in Lycoming County or South Pier within Erie city limits. Plus there are many unacceptable typos and misrepresentations. For example, in Jefferson County a stretch of PA 36 is mislabeled as PA 899, the depiction of PA 98 in Erie County goes too far north, and the depiction of PA 477 in Clinton County doesn't go far enough south. I've looked back, and none of the errors described in this review (and who knows how many others) were in the last few editions of the DeLorme Pennsylvania Atlas & Gazetteer. Someone at DeLorme has a lot of explaining to do, especially as they collect customer accuracy complaints. In the meantime, Pennsylvania backroad travelers should revert to the recent previous edition(s) and avoid this exercise in lazy cartography. [~doomsdayer520~]
 
Just for the hell of it, I called the DeLorme map people and they said they have no older editions of the Penna Atlas & Gazetteer at all. They said they shred them when they come out with a new edition. I found that kind of hard to believe, but that's what the lady said.
Also, I noticed that Amazon has no more of the older Penna Atlas's either! I'm very glad I've got one of the older ones. It's still in very nice shape too. I'm willing to auction mine off. Bids will start at $1000! lol
 
wildtrout2 wrote:
Just for the hell of it, I called the DeLorme map people and they said they have no older editions of the Penna Atlas & Gazetteer at all. They said they shred them when they come out with a new edition. I found that kind of hard to believe, but that's what the lady said.
Also, I noticed that Amazon has no more of the older Penna Atlas's either! I'm very glad I've got one of the older ones. It's still in very nice shape too. I'm willing to auction mine off. Bids will start at $1000! lol

There are copies available on Amazon. Sometimes things are confusing to find on there. There's one listed in new condition, 2006.
That's a Ninth Edition copy.

There's a whole bunch listed under Used. Most do not have the edition listed, which is a pain. But most of those used copies are probably pre-Tenth Edition.

Other good book search sites are Alibris, and Addall.
 
If you want to find the older versions I've found them all over SEPA in gas stations. Last I looked, (a few months ago) you could find both versions on the same rack, mixed together. The older ones are easily recognizable because all of the roadways are solid red lines of varying thicknesses. The newer versions roads are multi-colored.

I will say there are many things I like better about the older atlasses, however, the waterfall behind me in my avatar was marked in the newer version and I was able to hike my way to it easily, as well as another landmark a few miles away. Glad they got that right.

P.S. My handheld gps is so old all it shows is a pac-man like breadcrum trail and a little hiker guy (me), with other crude heirogylphic markers such as car, camp( a teepee), etc., no color, and no roads or streams. It only has points of interest that I've been to. It sure is nice to have as a comfort if you're taking a long hike on relatively flat heavily wooded forests, where there are less landmarks to use for navigation.
 
JakesLeakyWaders wrote:
If you want to find the older versions I've found them all over SEPA in gas stations. Last I looked, (a few months ago) you could find both versions on the same rack, mixed together.
I agree, this WAS the case here in SE Pa. But, today I went to All of the places that stock these Gazetteers and they have nothing but the new ones now.
 
JakesLeakyWaders wrote:
If you want to find the older versions I've found them all over SEPA in gas stations. Last I looked, (a few months ago) you could find both versions on the same rack, mixed together. The older ones are easily recognizable because all of the roadways are solid red lines of varying thicknesses. The newer versions roads are multi-colored.

I will say there are many things I like better about the older atlasses, however, the waterfall behind me in my avatar was marked in the newer version and I was able to hike my way to it easily, as well as another landmark a few miles away. Glad they got that right.

P.S. My handheld gps is so old all it shows is a pac-man like breadcrum trail and a little hiker guy (me), with other crude heirogylphic markers such as car, camp( a teepee), etc., no color, and no roads or streams. It only has points of interest that I've been to. It sure is nice to have as a comfort if you're taking a long hike on relatively flat heavily wooded forests, where there are less landmarks to use for navigation.

So they managed to mark Dutchmen and Haystacks, but can't get the roads marked right to get you to the parking lot? 🙂

Even if their latest print atlas is a dud, I did pick up a Delorme handheld GPS "for the family" for Christmas. The GPS capabilities are similar to other brands, but the selling feature for me was the ability to download boatloads of map data from their online service for a low annual fee, and be able to keep it all when the subscription expires. They have an upcoming model, the PN-60, that has a SPOT option, and has a locater option, so that if you are out with friends, you can see them on your screen nearby. Kind of interesting - definitely pricey!

My first major use of the GPS was up in the area of Jake's waterfall photo, and I managed to stay found.
 
I just received my Delorme today - from an outfit called "Books Unlimited 2000", off of Amazon. Problem is, it's the new - 10th - edition. And I don't like it
It definitely said that it was the 9th edition when I ordered it. Guess they either ran out of old ones, or someone screwed up.
And the worst part is, they didn't even put a packing slip in the shipping envelope. Guess I'll have to look up the company, and try to get hold of someone about the mistake.
Anyone else have this problem?
 
dryflyguy wrote:
I just received my Delorme today - from an outfit called "Books Unlimited 2000", off of Amazon. Problem is, it's the new - 10th - edition. And I don't like it
It definitely said that it was the 9th edition when I ordered it. Guess they either ran out of old ones, or someone screwed up.
And the worst part is, they didn't even put a packing slip in the shipping envelope. Guess I'll have to look up the company, and try to get hold of someone about the mistake.
Anyone else have this problem?

This sounds like the bad dream that I'm hoping I don't go through. I ordered a 9th edition as well from a company called "the bookceller" via Amazon as well. Now, it said 9th edition (2006) and I hope that's what I'll be getting! What I don't feel good about is that the pic depicting my order shows the cover of the new edition and not of the older version.
The one thing that makes me feel OK with my order is the fact that the (2006) atlas (new) was only $7.78. I don't think they'd be selling the new ones for that price. We'll see what happens.
 
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