DeLorme PA Atlas & Gazetteer

Love em.......add a regular Pa road map and a Higbee fish map and go exploring , been doing it this way with those maps for at least 25 years. My daughter and her guy have a GPS unit which they swear by and i can think of at least a few things that it can do that you can't do with a map or set of maps , but i'm old , set in my ways , and have a lot of fun doing it my way. They play a game with the GPS unit called Geo=cache it's like an on line GPS scavenger hunt. It looks like fun and interesting. Is anyone old enough to remember Captain Parmenter and his map folding on F-TROOP?
 
JackM wrote:
Mine is older and I like it. If I wanted to get extra copies of the pre-new-design versions, what year should I stop looking? In other words, when did the new design come into effect? There are probably earlier editions in pristine condition being discounted at Gabriels, or Ollies, used book outlets, etc. I'd like to try to snag at least one more to replace my current one.

Of course, mine still thinks Rte 220 North to 322 East is the best way to get to State College from Holidaysburg....

The Tenth Edition of the DeLorme Atlas is when they wrecked it (IMHO). I believe that edition came out in 2007.

The Ninth Edition or any earlier editions are fine.

If anybody familiar with the older editions gets into a Barnes and Noble or Borders or whatever bookstore, take a close look at the new edition. Go to an area you're familiar with and try to check out the streams and forest roads etc.

I think the new design has made the maps MUCH harder to read, particularly for the type of thing we do, checking out obscure streams in rural areas. But I'd be curious to know what others think.

As I mentioned earlier, I thought the new Sportsmans atlases also had serious design and/or printing problems, that made stream lines and forest roads very hard to decipher.

But I'd be very interested in what people think of those too. Again, the test is to really look closely at areas you are familiar with and see if you can make out the stream lines, the tributaries, the forest roads etc.

If there are any cartography wonks in the house, I'd be interested in what you think happened with the DeLorme Atlas. My theory is that before they were designing the map with a graphic design program such as Adobe Illustrator. Then with the Tenth Edition they changed over to designing the map with a GIS program, i.e. straight out of a database. Which is less labor intensive, but which resulted in a severe loss of quality.

Also, DeLorme mapping was originated by a guy who wanted better fishing maps for himself and his friends, so they were detailed in regards to streams and back roads, etc.

But maybe they realized that the majority of people using the atlases were just driving from one town to another, i.e. general drivers, not outdoorsmen, so they changed the design emphasis in that direction.
 
I just looked more closely at mine. It's a 6th edition map, and I do see Punxsutawney (tough one) Phil on it. Somebody pays some serious attention to detail to pick that up!! I'm going to search out/buy another older Gazeteer just so I've got a back-up for the future. ;-)
 
I just checked out Punxy Phil too. He's in my old edition copy. But not in the Tenth Edition.
 
Troutbert, I agree with your assessment that there was a design change to accommodate folks that use it primarily for driving. I don't have the new style - - own two older versions - - but have looked at the newer and it is lacking in detail for what us fly folks use it for.

I have noticed the little Rip Van Winkle in the Catskills of the NY map. I thought it was odd since all the icons are in the legend 'cept for that one. It is located right next to the Devil's Path which is a very neat (and difficult!!) hiking trail thru the Catskills.
 
DeLorme and Google Earth good combination.imo.Check the Atlas and Google the area,much better detail.
 
Count me as another longtime fan - mine stays in my car and is much sun faded and severely worn with a couple bad attempts at lamination. I'm not sure how old it is but it's "pre State College I90." Sounds like I should hold on to this old copy.
 
Does anyone have the NJ or FL versions of the Gazetteer?

I was wondering if anyone finds it useful for locating good beach/inland waterway fishing locations?

I have a "Hot Spots" map for Charlotte Harbor, FL and it is very nice, but I was wondering if the Gazetteer has equal useful information.
 
troutbert, I agree 100%. I think they "dumbed" it down for the general public. I hate when companies do this. they left out most of the forest road numbers, and alot of the township/state road numbers, instead listing the road names. glad I still have my old one. I have them for a bunch of other states also, great for exploring, even vacation planning, good info on the front pages about parks, natural areas, etc.
there are no straight lines in the WV one!
 
I bought the All Outdoors eastern PA version, it sucked. Yes it was larger scale, but streams and stream names are hard to see. Also it started to fall apart at the binding.

I have the new and older versions of the delorme. New version uses road names instead of T402, SR492 etc. and roads are color coded instead of all being red. They take up more space cluttering the map. Also elevation has beeen changed from meters to feet, which is better and SGL's and state forest are highlighted, which is a plus.

I think some things are good and some are bad about the new atlas. I have to try to find another older version my old one is showing it's age. I've seen both version side by side in the same gas stations so if your careful you can get the one you want

I keep mine in the magazine holders behind the driver and passenger seat in my vehicle. The kids get them sometimes which is why I have to buy a new one occassionally.
 
CLSports wrote:
Does anyone have the NJ or FL versions of the Gazetteer?

I was wondering if anyone finds it useful for locating good beach/inland waterway fishing locations?

I have a "Hot Spots" map for Charlotte Harbor, FL and it is very nice, but I was wondering if the Gazetteer has equal useful information.

In Florida the best info is on a chart of the area.Newer GPS units show depths as well as coordinates.
 
I have had three or so Delorme gazetteers, and two have worn out sufficiently enough to not be useable - cover has the plastic peeling off and pages are curled and ripped. My brother undertook a project with one of his to use colored pencils to map out all the PFBC data for Class A, Wild, and ATW. I had wanted to do the same, but didn't have the patience for it, but had an idea about a year ago that has finally come to fruition for me in the past few weeks, where I worked out the idiosyncracies of paring down datasets. Essentially, there is a wealth of electronic data available for PA, and with the right software, it's possible to make your own maps of anywhere in the state - kind of cool looking at every HQ or EV water in the state. Delorme is still good for in the vehicle, since I don't drag a laptop around while fishing, but for armchair prospecting, without having to go to the colored pencils, using the available electronic data is the way to go, IMHO.
 
The only one I've seen is the 10th edition that I bought last year. I wish you'd have poster this earlier about the differances.

But this is the only edition I'm familier with so I guess I don't know any better.

I didn't like the other one that broke the state into two sections cause then I'd need both of them for the whole dang state.
 
I just ordered my 9th Edition Delorme on Amazon for $9 including shipping. Hopefully it will be in before our meeting at Primanti Bro's next Saturday!
 
ryguyfi wrote:
I just ordered my 9th Edition Delorme on Amazon for $9 including shipping. Hopefully it will be in before our meeting at Primanti Bro's next Saturday!

I bought a copy of the 9th Edition at a local used bookstore for $8 + tax. And it is NICE! Very good maps.

I'll have to get a plastic cover, so it lasts awhile. I've worn out several DeLorme's already. They do start getting ragged and falling apart after awhile with heavy use.

The Tenth Edition is a complete train-wreck. I'm shocked they messed it up so bad.

DeLorme should just re-issue the Ninth Edition. They could call it DeLorme PA Atlas & Gazetteer "Classic!"
 
There's still a few more on Amazon for the same price. I'm sure they'll be snatched up by boardmembers here pretty soon. lol
 
i have an elleventh edition , it is a very very valuable tool to find fish , especially big ones
 
Ryguy,

Thanks for the heads up, just ordered mine.

Only 24 new 9th editions left. I was considering ordering the whole lot then price gouging you guys at the jam. :lol:

edit: If someone shows up at the jam with 24 copies, I want a 10% cut.
 
I just ordered one from amazon also. Cheapest I could find - for a new one - was $7.85 + $3.99 shipping. Still a pretty good deal.
My old one is about 5 years old, and getting a little ragged anyway
Thanks for the heads up Troutbert.
 
Not to send this thread down a rabbit trail, but who actually buys the items that are grossly overpriced? Example is the last "New" 9th edition Gazetteer in the Amazon listing, which costs:

$145.81
+ $3.99shipping

I see stuff listed on Ebay like that from time to time - five to ten times the street price. What possesses sellers to list stuff at such hyperinflated prices? Does someone accidentally buy these items?
 
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