Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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fall rates near cedar run? Very small band over the past 3 hours has dropped over 10" of rain along and just to the north of cedar run.

Latest update shows 15"

Hopefully the link works:

http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?rid=ccx&product=N0R&overlay=01101111&loop=no
 
Link did not perform as expected, once there, click on storm total on the left column
 
same storms here with maybe .10 of an inch not 10 inches
 
closest station to cedar run reports 1.78 inch
 
can you share the station reports link?
 
I think your link is delayed, cedar is cranking fast. NWS reports over 15" of rain between cedar and liberty, PA. Hopefully the fish can handle this.

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/pa/nwis/uv?site_no=01548500
 
They've been handling it and surviving for quite a few years; I think they'll be OK ;-)

But that storm HAS dumped a bunch of rain there. Pine went from under 100CFS to over 3000...

Huckleberryruns wrote:
I think your link is delayed, cedar is cranking fast. NWS reports over 15" of rain between cedar and liberty, PA. Hopefully the fish can handle this.

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/pa/nwis/uv?site_no=01548500
 
if you go by the gage it only reports a little over .80 of an inch.
 

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Pine is pumping red mud below Babb Creek, but clear above it. There was heavy localized rain along the Dixie Run area last night that crushed the area right around Morris. Babb Creek was clear up a little above where Dixie Run enters, but raging below that area.
 
I don't believe that 15 inches of rain fell anywhere in PA during those storms. That's a ridiculous number. Common sense pretty much rules out that having happened.

The gauges on pine dropped pretty fast. I think pine creek and tribs can handle as much rain as will fall at this point. There are still a lot of trees ready to suck up water.
 
reds wrote:
Pine is pumping red mud below Babb Creek, but clear above it. There was heavy localized rain along the Dixie Run area last night that crushed the area right around Morris. Babb Creek was clear up a little above where Dixie Run enters, but raging below that area.

Yes, that is the area NWS reported as having 18" of rain, with hail contaminating the estimated radar totals, however they conceded at least 12" in that area. That is a ton of rain in 3 hours in a localized spot.
 
It was closer to 2" of rain very quickly. Had friends right in middle of it all. gage at cedar never went above 2" for precip. If there was 12" of rain there would be a disaster area.
 
Here's the rainfall data for up there on that day. Looks like maybe 3-4" locally in one spot (red shading). I assume that's the place in question?
 

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afishinado wrote:
Here's the rainfall data for up there on that day. Looks like maybe 3-4" locally in one spot (red shading). I assume that's the place in question?

You are correct, also the report about Dixie Run area looks very accurate. In the last couple of years we have had two tornadoes and now this in this one area. Is mother nature trying to tell me something?
 
I was up that way yesterday, fishing a small trib in the Cedar Run area. On the way up, all the tribs were clear, and not very high.

But Pine Creek was very muddy, even though its flow was not real high either, around 200 cfs at the Cedar Run gauge. I thought that it was odd that it hadn't cleared up more by yesterday afternoon.

Someone said the muddy water was coming down Babb Creek. Is that just because they got more rain up there, or because of a lot of disturbed land from the old mines?

Does Babb Creek typically run muddier than other Pine tribs?
 
troutbert wrote:
I was up that way yesterday, fishing a small trib in the Cedar Run area. On the way up, all the tribs were clear, and not very high.

But Pine Creek was very muddy, even though its flow was not real high either, around 200 cfs at the Cedar Run gauge. I thought that it was odd that it hadn't cleared up more by yesterday afternoon.

Someone said the muddy water was coming down Babb Creek. Is that just because they got more rain up there, or because of a lot of disturbed land from the old mines?

Does Babb Creek typically run muddier than other Pine tribs?

I don't think Babb Creek runs muddy. During the high water of early spring it will have an unhealthy grey or blue cast.

Another report said the mud was coming from Dixie Run. Dixie is a small trib to Babb Creek.
 
Someone said the muddy water was coming down Babb Creek. Is that just because they got more rain up there, or because of a lot of disturbed land from the old mines?

Based on what afish posted on this thread, the heavy rain appears to have been localized almost exclusively in the Babb creek watershed. Any stream is going to be muddy if it gets four inches of rain in a few hours...
 
It hit dixie run and therefore went into babb then pine. My buddy was at dinner in morris and he said it was weird the way it hit in such a narrow place..
 
On another note I went scouting and training the pup and while in the hills fished a stream for wild brookies with the 6'6" 2wt. this was after 1.78 inch of rain night before. still a little low. lots of YOY brookies seen..
 

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