Jack,

Making plans for Thursday night through Sunday. Glad to help out on Friday afternoon. Should be a great weekend. Thanks for leading in the organization.

Dave

Hi guys have a good time. Please give us an update with some pictures.

Thanks and I know all the members here will help support them and those asking questions. Should be a lot of fun.

Thanks,

Dave

K-bob,

Some variations to this but this is a good visual of how and why a roll cast works well for weighted nymphs and streamers.

Mute,

Well done. Thanks for the video. Love the HD 720 works just fine. Can't wait for more.

Any bugs?

Welcome to the Beginners Forum. If you brand new to fly fishing, or brushing up on some of the basics? Don’t be shy! Talk to others and ask all your basic fly fishing questions here.

With this new forum I have asked a couple of members I admire to help out. Afishinado and Fishidiot have been long term contributors to the site. Their knowledge, experience and interest to help others in the forums always stands out. They will be a great fit in helping with this forum and very pleased have them here.

So those of you lurking and not sure where to get started please join us here.

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I have a lot of concerns about this whole process. I had a chance to speak with a source at PA DEP about the whole thing. Seems to me we could be setting ourselves up for trouble...again.

With all the budget cuts across the state government the number of folks at the DEP have been reduced along with all state agencies. There are less DEP employees to monitor and inspect this new type of drilling operation. In fact there should be more people from DEP for this type of operation since it is a new and growing industry for the state. There is a 18% tax tax from revenues and each of the companies are paying for licensing fees.

The fracking process involves the injection of water, sand and special propitiatory chemicals into the shale bed. These chemicals from what I understand are not necessary disclosed. The could be a standard blend of something, but I have only heard and seen the vague term "chemicals" applied as to what is in this secret sauce.

I realize it is 10,000 feet down and below the groundwater level, but anytime the term chemicals are thrown around in haste like this I get worried.

Lastly, other states that have permitted drilling into the Marcellus Shale in this same manner are taking a certain percentage of hold back money for cleanup and remediation in case of accidents. So other states are creating a superfund cash reserve if things go wrong. Pennsylvania is relying on traditional cleanup procedures and existing budgets, whatever that means, to go after and then remedy a accident. That does not sound very prudent to me. Again back to a budget cuts. Did we not learn from all the surface mining situations or other petroleum accidents of the past 100 years?

I am not saying I am against this process. I just don't know if all the proper checks and balance are in place if something were to go wrong. But I guess we are all just assuming nothing will go wrong...again.

This certainly has been one of the more popular questions asked at PaFlyFish.com. Truthfully the answer is bigger than the question and one worth exploring. There are hundreds of fantastic streams for all types of anglers in Pennsylvania. A little homework will yield you your own personal hot spots.

PaFlyFish.com is chocked full of maps, tips, news, stories and conversations already at you fingertips. Pennsylvania is a sizable state so starting with the Pa Trout Streams section under the site menu is a good place to begin. There are six regions with hundreds of stocked and special regulation streams that are ideal for fly fishing. Take advantage of the maps to explore the areas you want to travel.

A little searching with some of those new stream names in the forums and stream reports can usually yield a string of information. A host of highly regarded authors can be found in the Fly Fishing Books section. Some good old fashion book reading is worth some time.

A quick trek to the PFBC website can offer an additional collection of streams and detailed regulations.

Finally, time with your local fly shop and Trout Unlimited Chapter are wonderful places to meet up with others. They can provide any number of classes, workshops, and conservation opportunities.

With the arm chair work complete go explore the state. Some of the best places you’ll find will likely be the ones you didn’t set out for when you got started. There may not be an easy button here, but the journey is part of the catch.

Pennsylvania Fly Fishing Links

Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission

Canaan Valley Institute

Federation of Fly Fishers

Lackawanna River Corridor Association Pennsylvania Flyfishing Museum

Schuylkill River Heritage Association

Pennsylvania Trout Unlimited

Rivers Conservation and Fly Fishing Camp

Animated Knots by Greg

Lehigh Coldwater Fishery Alliance

Wildlands Conservancy

Lehigh River Stocking Association

Troutnut.com

40 Rivers to Freedom Fly Fishing Blog

Troutunderground Blog

Moldy Chum Blog Flyfishing Entomology

Fat Guy fly Fishing

Castingaround

Fly Fishing Reporter

Mid Atlantic Fly Fishing Blog

Mid Atlantic Fly Fishing Forum

Western Fly Fishing

Fly Fishing Notes

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the update!

Dave

Jack well said. I hope we all can focus on more solutions and spend time taking real action.

The site provides a fairly good size stage to discuss and debate these issues. The real power here is not that we have a voice, but we can use the stage to organization and take action.

Take time to discuss but give equal time to make a difference.

Hi Tim and Tony. Good to hear from you both. Hope to see you guys at the Jam.

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I remember Paul, Jeff, Pad and Maurice the most. Maurice and Pad made upgrade the forum so I asked them to mods. Ha Ha

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I'll just call this a preemptive strike. It looks like things are fine ...now, but please keep this civil. Call me crazy but it seems that this topic as well as a couple of others seem to quickly fall into deep dark rat hole. I should have jumped into a few of the bad ones a long time ago.

I am sorry to those who have voiced some well intended concerns as things have gone off the tracks over the last couple of weeks. I think we are all better than that or we will be.

This topic has has gotten twisted, distorted and reared up in so many different threads over the past couple of weeks that I am getting tired of how these debates end up. I am for the conversation, but not when there are body bags after 275 posts. So with all our topics, let's find a way as I know we can to make it productive, on topic and civil. From the 50,000 foot level it is my understanding we all like to fly fish in Pennsylvania.

Sorry about the rant, Jack and Maurice left the basement door unlocked and I got out.

Mike,

Thanks for keeping us updated. I have been looking for this the last few days!

Dave

Mungerfish,

Nice Pick! Tom Chandler at Troutundergound has some really great articles and this one really certainly is a good read "Fly Fishing’s Magazines Are Feeling the Affects of Recession and Online Competition. Which of Them Will Survive?"

Dave

This is some of my favorite time to fly fish during the evening from Mid-May through early June. I don't think this has been discussed, but I fish with the biggest rusty brown spinner I can get tied up. Usually like size #10 or #8. My friend Ron ties these up for me and we call them B-52's for obvious reasons.

Since it is dark I am not sure what it is imitating, but Drakes and March Browns are easy guesses. I think the the bigger fish feel it is safe and like the opportunity for some bigger meals.

More often than not you can have a blast with this method of "Sound Fishing" as I call it. I usually fish some larger water and so I have plenty of room to cast. I will try a couple different methods of casting from traditional dry fly cast to a quicker drop and skate method. Setting the hook is terribly fun because you are waiting for the splash of an attacking big brown and wham it is on. You miss a few too, but when you get one one it is incredibly rewarding.

Since you are truly relying on sound and a little luck it is not anything like sight fishing. The trout are usually bigger and the mystery of what you have on there is very exciting.

Of course safety is very important. Lights, wading staffs and knowing your water conditions are very important. Not something I would so alone and of course follow all state laws.

I like the red light idea!

I would agree with the crew on this that a 5-6wt is a good way to get started. I was a Cabela's on Saturday and noticed a good 5wt 9ft setup with all backing and fly line for $99. I think this is a very good way to get started.

Online they have a 5wt 9ft combo setup with everything plus two-dozen flies, fly box, chest pack, leader straightener, nippers with retractor, forceps with retractor, fly floatant, strike indicators, split shot, a rod and reel case, and an instructional DVD. Not sure about the chest pack, but if they have this at the store it looks good too.

Hi Guys,

Glad that worked out and picts?

Great time today. I will share more in a longer post. Had a chance to see many of the PaFlyFish Gang and friends.

pcray1231, 3wt7x, Fishidiot, Heritage Angler, Rolf & Tim Murphy in the pictures. Found this other note while in the show. Pat and Dave then purchased as much as they could when once they saw the sign!

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I have always thought trout were somewhat territorially based on structure and water levels in a part of a stream. With lots of water in a stream and the right structure they are pretty content. As the water level drops and there is less area for them to take cover and find food the more dominate top dog in the hole or rock pushes out the competition.

For the most part they stay put unless they need to or are pushed to go somewhere else. When they first get stocked they move because of the new digs. Once settle they are home. Later as the water warms them move to find cooler water. Later in the fall with more cooler water and the spawn it changes again.

Thanks Gfen. Fixed now. http://bit.ly/5Cm91D