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Re: Nymphing without indicators
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So did Fredo on the God Father. He swore by it.


And where did that get him? A bed next to Lucco.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 12:42
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For all types of indicator-free fishing, I like using a piece of colored mono somewhere in the leader. Preferably it's up about 4 feet from where the fly would be so I can always see it when I'm high sticking. It really helps you locate your leader quickly and notice those tiny little tugs.

Flyfisher's Paradise in State College sells (or used to at least) some leaders with an opaque yellow mono tied in, but I haven't found any of that stuff anywhere else. I use fluorescent green mono but it's not ideal. Black mono might be the best. If you go into a big shop that sells spinning gear for saltwater, there will be a whole lot of choices.

I think Dave Rothrock published an article in Fly Fisherman about 5 years ago that had recipes for leaders with several colors of Stren tied into them. Could be wrong on that.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 12:55


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I like to use long fluoro leaders, 9 to 12', and add 8 to 10" of red Amnesia as a butt section between my flyline and leader forming an indicator of sorts. Using this system I keep all of my flyline of the water, which allows me to have only the leader on the water. I then watch the lower end of the Amnesia for strikes. I am not saying this is the best method, but I feel that by having only the fluoro leader and not the floating line onthe water my nymphs reach optimum depth faster and the drift is easier to control not battling any belly in the floating line. I can't take credit for the idea as it is my version of Mr. Humphry's no flyline, mono line only nymphing.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 12:58


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It can also be effective to let the fly line nearly touch the water. It is easier to detect a tug on the fly line than it is on the leader line.

Jack, they all slept with the fishes.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 13:01


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Matt,

I agree at times it can be. The reason the are so many techniques. No 1 technique is right for every situation. The most effective weapon in the arsenal is the ability to adapt, try new things and avoid preconceived ideas.

Nymphing is very effective if one is willing to experiment. Long leaders, short leaders, inidicator(foam, pinch on, putty, yarn), no indicator, mono, fluoro, split shot, weight putty, one fly, multiple flies, how to rig multi-fly rigs, rod length and the various combinations. Great mental stimulation!

Posted on: 2007/5/18 13:20


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Thanks for the tips, when I go out this weekend (if it doesn't rain too much) I'll shorten my leader and see if I can detect anything.

For you guys that have the "sixth sense"..... when you use this sixth sense, are you setting the hook in an area that you "feel" would have trout. For example, if you are fishing a riffle-pool area, do you set the hook right where the riffle meets the pool (thats where I get a lot of takes) even if there is no indication of a strike. I find myself doing that even with an indicator. Is that what you mean by sixth sense, or are those intuitive times you set the hook completely arbitrary.

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Thanks for the tips, when I go out this weekend (if it doesn't rain too much) I'll shorten my leader and see if I can detect anything.

For you guys that have the "sixth sense"..... when you use this sixth sense, are you setting the hook in an area that you "feel" would have trout. For example, if you are fishing a riffle-pool area, do you set the hook right where the riffle meets the pool (thats where I get a lot of takes) even if there is no indication of a strike. I find myself doing that even with an indicator. Is that what you mean by sixth sense, or are those intuitive times you set the hook completely arbitrary.


Hold on a minute, I never said I was that skilled. Seriously, that’s pretty much it. Its as much confidence that your fishing a spot correctly as it is a "sense".
If I think... wait, if I know that a trout lives there I set the hook when I know my fly is in that area. Sometimes you spend a while setting to nothing other times a fish is on when the indicator never budged. Other times I don’t use this tactic is I feel that "I’m on" that day. Nymphing requires a complete degree of concentration to be successful. Of course all our definitions of success are different.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 13:32


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Matt,
No 1 technique is right for every situation. The most effective weapon in the arsenal is the ability to adapt, try new things and avoid preconceived ideas.


Exactly!

Posted on: 2007/5/18 13:34


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when you use this sixth sense, are you setting the hook in an area that you "feel" would have trout. For example, if you are fishing a riffle-pool area, do you set the hook right where the riffle meets the pool (thats where I get a lot of takes) even if there is no indication of a strike. I find myself doing that even with an indicator.


I use more of a lift than a set like you think of tv bass guys. I have lifted, felt nothing and let it drop back and got a hit immediately because that lift may have triggered a strike. If you "set" the hook, you may break some off or miss chances by pulling it clear out of the water. Sometimes you just lift for no reason and that fish is there. That's when you get to make jokes about a sixth sense.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 13:42


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A while back someone posted video clips of some guy who took underwater video while others were fly fishing. The one showed that trout often take and spit out nymphs without it being detected at all. This may be one reason that setting the hook periodically will catch some fish without any sign that they took the fly. It can be just a matter of odds. Not to downplay the skills of you guys, who are much more skilled nymphers than I am. There's certainly a lot of experience, knowledge, feel, etc. that goes into it too. Just bringing this up as another piece of the puzzle that might help.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 14:04
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Wulff Man, As with any thing luck is as much a part of it than anything else.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 14:07


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Based purely on age and experience, I know I'm not more skilled than most here. I do understand that my brain can process much more information than I ever consciously realize it does. Just allow it to be reactionary. You just feel like you should set. It's a good point that a good chunk of it involves setting blindly in good looking water, but there are other, seemingly indetectible things going on too. Perhaps the line slows for a split second, or you catch a flash out of the corner of your eye. Just allow yourself to react. It's very primal and also very relaxing.

I'd be lying if I told you I knew exactly what I was looking for, honestly. It's not magic... just too complex for me to categorize.

Perhaps the fact that I bait fished since I could walk helps (I almost always fished weightless natural drifts). Once I started fly fishing a few years ago, nymphing felt very natural.

Posted on: 2007/5/18 14:18


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Well, all this talk about nymphing got me all ancy, so I ducked out of work for a couple hours this afternoon and got on the Brandywine. Fished it from 2:30 to 4, nymphing without an indicator. I took my leader down to 7 ft and used the fly line as an indicator.

I managed to get 3 browns and a few chubs in that timeframe. It actually seemed to be easier than using a yarn indicator. On several of those strikes, I was setting the hook by the intuitive "feel" or sixth sense thing. Also, when I say set the hook, I mean a quick, short raise of the rod tip, not the BOOYAH! type meat-head jerk that pro bass anglers do.

I'm back at work now, my boss asked where I went and I said I had to run an errand I forgot about........definition of flyfishing addiction....

Posted on: 2007/5/18 17:09


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it's so cool, isnt it?

Posted on: 2007/5/18 17:41


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Cool...those fish aren't the only ones hooked, eh?

Posted on: 2007/5/18 21:27



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