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Re: Long Distance Casting

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PoconoPuke wrote:
If your getting an 80 foot cast your probably lining a dozen trout.


Don't think fred's too worried about trout.

Posted on: 2010/6/4 11:06


Re: Long Distance Casting

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Learn to cast correctly

Posted on: 2010/6/5 22:48


Re: Long Distance Casting

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Learn to cast correctly


...................................Elaborate ........................................

Posted on: 2010/6/7 7:57
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Re: Long Distance Casting

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Uh... get your stops, hauls, acceleration and timing in order and the line will cast until the friction of the line and gravity stop it from going further.

Posted on: 2010/6/7 10:18


Re: Long Distance Casting

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Uh... get your stops, hauls, acceleration and timing in order and the line will cast until the friction of the line and gravity stop it from going further.


I'm sure timing has a little to do with my dilemma ?

So what did you work on the most for you to cast out your hole fly line ?

Posted on: 2010/6/7 10:50
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Re: Long Distance Casting
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Fred,

Casting is an individual thing. The physics are the same of everyone, but individual styles of casting are almost limitless. Just think about pitchers or batters in baseball; they all have individual styles, yet they all manage to throw or hit the baseball with proficiency.

An expert casting instructor can pick apart your casting and help you adjust your technique to achieve more distance, accuracy, or whatever improvement you wish to make.

At the the Mini LV casting Jam last summer, Old Lefty (Dave Rothrock) was kind enough to give casting demos and help individuals with their technique. He turned my creep into a drift and really helped me gain some distance.

Maybe we can do the same thing again this summer.

Posted on: 2010/6/7 11:03


Re: Long Distance Casting

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"At the the Mini LV casting Jam last summer, Old Lefty (Dave Rothrock) was kind enough to give casting demos and help individuals with their technique. He turned my creep into a drift and really helped me gain some distance.

Maybe we can do the same thing again this summer."

That would be absolutely awesome.

Posted on: 2010/6/7 15:32


Re: Long Distance Casting

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Hard to say without seeing you cast. 1 hour and 100 bucks and I am sure I'd could have you casting 100ft, given you can actually cast 80ft now and can actually DH. But, since that ain't happening, my best blind guess is you are not shooting enough line on your back cast. Most people only try to shoot line on there final cast. You should practice just your back cast line shooting. Make 1 false cast and then on your next back cast, haul, and then let the line shoot out and fall to the ground. If you are not shooting 20 to 30 feet here you'll never cast 90ft plus.

Also, your should never make more than 3 backcasts.

Your welcome. Hopefully this is more helpful than all your other responses.

Posted on: 2010/6/8 23:30


Re: Long Distance Casting

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Bottomroller gave good advice IMO (though I never tried to cast a full line). I began shooting line on the back cast this year, and it's improved my distance a good bit.

Posted on: 2010/6/9 9:21


Re: Long Distance Casting

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if you are casting 80 ft and can't get the last 10 to cast the "whole line" then asking questions on a website isn't going to help.
sounds like you have practiced this for a while now. if you are throwing 80 and can't get 90 then you never will unless you unlearn what you are doing. if you could throw 80 with good technique then you could certainly throw 90 with the same technique. you are doing something wrong and the only way to figure it out would be to have an "expert" deconstruct your cast. this is what the fff certified casting instructors are supposed to be able to do. analyze the cast and tell you what you are doing wrong and then teaching you how to fix it.
believe me - it can be very hard to unlearn bad habits - harder than to learn good habits. i have been there.
sounds to me (without seeing you cast) that you are overcompensating poor technique with muscle. that can get you to the 75-80 ft range but rarely will it put you over the top.
of my three 5 weights, i can only cast the whole line with the BIIMX. i can cast the whole line with my 6wt winston XTR, 8wt XTR, 10 wt redington CPS and 12 wt XTR, but it took me years of practice and fishing a lot in the salt to do so.
my advice:
slow down your stroke, don't muscle it and let the rod do the work
remember - the rod is designed to throw the whole line. getting it to do so is your part
gut

Posted on: 2010/6/9 21:47
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Re: Long Distance Casting

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i dont kno9w if this will help but i remember hearing someone saying at the jam i think it was ed heritage angler for more distance one keep your rod tip higher and make an upward stroke more than outward on the final haul..... or you can just ask him

Posted on: 2010/6/15 19:28
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Re: Long Distance Casting

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flipster - The technique I was talking about was drifting on the backcast. The Leland video shows the technique pretty well.

I don't practice distance casting enough. The old argument that you don't need to cast that far is a myth. Practicing distance casting (correctly) really improves your casting overall, and sharpening those skills is essential. Better casting can definitely lead to better catching.

That said, I've practiced with some great casters, and the best ones make it look effortless. Technique trumps power every time. Gary Borger once had a conversation with me while aerializing an entire DT5F flyline with a soft action 7 1/2' 5wt rod. He's not human! The longest cast I ever witnessed was made by John Wilson (ex-coach of the USA Youth Team). He threw 133' of line and backing with a 9' 3wt ! And yes, I measured the distance.

My favorite caster to learn from is Old Lefty. He threw the entire line while making it look effortless. And his line was a special distance casting line that is 120' long!

Throwing that much line is one thing - being able to teach it is another. The left handed one is a superb instructor. Maybe I can convince him to come down to the Valley for another Casting Jam. Anyone interested?

Posted on: 2010/6/16 8:06


Re: Long Distance Casting

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I'm game

Posted on: 2010/6/16 15:22
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Re: Long Distance Casting
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If Dave R is going to do a casting demo, why not videotape it (with his permission of course) and make it available for all to see here on PAFF. Call it "Casting Tips With Old Lefty" or something like that.

Posted on: 2010/6/16 15:43


Re: Long Distance Casting

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Two words for you Frederick.

Zipcast
Shadow Casting


Posted on: 2010/6/16 17:49
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