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Re: Knots knots knots

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I used an improved clinch for a long time, but quit using it back in the late 70's when I noticed that with the small crankbaits we were using when we float fished for smallmouth, the imp. clinch had a tendency to "hinge" and weaken the line just ahead of the body of the knot.

I've been using the uni-knot ever since. It's great for tying flies on. I use 5 turns when using it with anything 4X or larger and 6 turns for smaller material. Two uni's used to join leader sections are superior (IMO) to the blood knot, although I usually use a double or triple surgeons (depending on line diameter) for this.

One of the best things about the Uni is that it is also the same knot as the so-called "speed (nailless) nail knot" and can be used to make a durable, lasting fly line to leader butt/butt section loop. No nail, no straw or any of the rest of that stuff. You just have to slowly pull and tighten it down so the wraps are all together.

I really like the Uni-Knot. It can do it all, pretty much..

http://www.proknot.com/html/uni_knot.html

Posted on: 2010/4/27 19:27


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improved clinch ....no sense trying to re-invent the wheel fellas ...lol

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Re: Knots knots knots

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troutslammer............use the regular clinch , you can get it out easily to change flies , the improved clinch was reinventing the wheel wasn't it?

Posted on: 2010/4/28 8:51


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I prefer 3 over-hand knots or maybe just a clinch knot. Improved clinch on bigger flys.

Posted on: 2010/4/28 16:45


Re: Knots knots knots

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Clinch. I actually use the double clinch (is that what its called when you make 2?) for all leader-leader and tippet-tippet connections as well. Just a clinch knot on each line. Very, very rarely do my knots break, and I can tie one in about 20 seconds, while it takes me a lot longer to do a proper blood knot, so I figure why change? The secret to keeping them fairly strong is spit on it before tightening either side down. Tobacco helps.

Fly line to leader, I use a nail knot, but I only have to do that maybe 3 or 4 times a year, at most....

Posted on: 2010/4/28 16:54


Re: Knots knots knots

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Clinch. I actually use the double clinch (is that what its called when you make 2?) for all leader-leader and tippet-tippet connections as well. Just a clinch knot on each line. Very, very rarely do my knots break, and I can tie one in about 20 seconds, while it takes me a lot longer to do a proper blood knot, so I figure why change? The secret to keeping them fairly strong is spit on it before tightening either side down. Tobacco helps.

Fly line to leader, I use a nail knot, but I only have to do that maybe 3 or 4 times a year, at most....


I used to do that, but every time I got snagged on a tree or rock, I ended up having my line break at that connection because its just simply line to line looped together. The strength is just the strength of the lines hooked together, and it gets weak as you use it more.

I switched to the surgeons knot which is just as easy and this and holds WAY better imo.

Posted on: 2010/4/29 9:03
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Re: Knots knots knots

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Well, like I said, I haven't had a problem with it. Not saying I never make a bad knot. But when I make em right, the line rarely breaks at the knot.

Posted on: 2010/4/29 13:19


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Call me crazy, but I genuinely enjoy tying blood knots. Once you train your hands to use four points of contact to hold everything in place, they're pretty easy.

Posted on: 2010/4/29 13:24


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Call me crazy, but I genuinely enjoy tying blood knots. Once you train your hands to use four points of contact to hold everything in place, they're pretty easy.


I used to also Jay. When tied cleanly, there's something nice and symmetrical to the knot. Plus I read somewhere that using a surgeons knot too much in leader construction can offset the tippet a bit. (Poppycock!) But when my eyes started to go a few years ago and I stubbornly refused to submit to bifocals -- they're for old men -- blood knots become hard as hell to tie, especially on a cool morning with numb fingers. Surgeon knot to the rescue!

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Does anyone think that the trout can see a clinch knot on your size 20-24 dries. Or any fly for that matter?

Posted on: 2010/4/29 15:08
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Yep.

But I wouldn't worry about it until you find the way to hide the giant metal pointed rod coming out of the fly's ass. First things first.

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Of course they can, there's no question about it. They see your line too, every time, nomatter what size tippet you have or what size fly it is. I've had fish actually hit tippet knots many times, even wind knots.

Posted on: 2010/4/29 15:38


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>>Call me crazy, but I genuinely enjoy tying blood knots. Once you train your hands to use four points of contact to hold everything in place, they're pretty easy.>>

I don't doubt it.. It's all pretty much a matter of what we decide to take the time to learn. I never took the time to learn a blood knot because i learned the surgeon's and i can do that blindfolded.

Of course, I also never learned to whip finish a fly either. Been finishing them with half hitches since 1964. A few come undone, but not many.

When I worked at the Orvis shop in Tionesta (which I guess is defunct now..), Humphreys would come up twice a year to run weekend-long classes for like 15 newbies at a time. We'd do classroom stuff in the basement of the store and then all thunder off to Miller Farm on Oil Creek to flail away or if Oil was high, to the DH on East Hickory. Somewhere Joe could stand in one riffle, pound fish and dazzle everybody, anyway. And then we'd separate and each take a part of the class up or down the creek and they'd fish under our supervision. We (well, not me) taught them the blood knot during the "classroom" time and once we got on the creek, they'd all be going bat---t trying to add new tippets with a blood knot. So, I'd teach them the surgeons and they'd say; "Jeez, why didn't they show us this at the store. It's easy!"

Used to get in quite a bit of trouble for doing that...

Posted on: 2010/4/29 17:03


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Dealing with the long end when tying a surgeons is what gets on my nerves. I have more trouble with that than I do with the blood knot, I guess.

I did have hell with blood knots for a while, but then again, I was a victim of fly shop induced LTS (light tippet syndrome). Even a perfect blood knot will break that stuff now and then.

Posted on: 2010/4/29 22:55


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as far as trout being able to see a clinch knot , i caught a bunch of trout last week before the rain , in crystal clear water ontop and ever trout i brought to hand i asked em if they saw the line or knot , they all said the same thing ......nothing , i gave em all a kiss , thanked em for the fight and kept using my berkley 100% trilene fluoro (4lb) for tippet and tied all flies with a improved clinch knot ...

Posted on: 2010/4/30 20:59



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