Register now on PaFlyFish.com! Login
HOME FORUM BLOG PHOTOS LINKS


Sponsors

Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users



(1) 2 »


Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2006/9/21 0:02
From Pittsburgh
Posts: 4223
Offline
I was fishing a really nice pool on the little juniata river earlier this week. And the fish were rising everywhere to a tan caddis hatch.
But they weren't taking many of the bugs on the surface. Most of the action consisted if very splashy rises to the bugs as they were emerging. And they were definitely keyed in on insects that were moving.
I did pretty well on them the first day I fished there by twitching a fluttering caddis imitation over them - although many of the fish still refused my offering.
I stopped back the next day, to find the fish still rising very well.
However, I could hardly catch a fish then. And I tried several different patterns. They even refused a Lafontaine sparkle emerger
twitched just under the surface.
Of course, I - and the other guys I was fishing there with - blamed this on the fish being "smartened" up by being fished over pretty hard.
But they were still feeding on those caddis very well.

I've seen fish do this many times over the years. And I've never been able to quite figure out a technique - or certain pattern - to take them well in this situation.
Just wondering if anyone else has come up with an answer for it

Posted on: 2011/5/5 14:23


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2007/1/2 11:55
From Bozeman
Posts: 19932
Offline
I like cdc caddis for this. Make sure it's got a good brushing with frog's fanny for the air bubble effect, then pull it under before it gets to a rising fish. The cdc will take it back to the surface, get stuck in the film, then pop through.

Or wet flies, but I'll spare you that discussion.

Posted on: 2011/5/5 14:37


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2007/4/25 10:02
Posts: 5781
Offline
Yep, wets. Good one, Jay.

Posted on: 2011/5/5 15:09
_________________
I flyfish because I enjoy it.


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2008/1/21 19:15
From Pittsburgh
Posts: 2676
Offline
I remember running into the exact same problem a couple years ago @ the 2nd bridge above baree. I did relatively better after switching to the same fly 2 sizes smaller making much longer down stream drifts. I would drift it just to the side of a riser, then skitter it a foot up and to the side to put it on his nose.
I do not recall the rational on why I went that route...perhaps I noticed a masking hatch, perhaps my thinking was similar to your buddies' that they were wising up in which case I usually go smaller, perhaps it was a lucky ending in an exercise in futility. I don't remember for sure.

Posted on: 2011/5/6 12:48


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2007/4/25 10:02
Posts: 5781
Offline
Did expereince the caddis last week also.

Bout 50/50 with my sucess. Some took skittered, some took dead drifts. Think each fish was keyed in on different signals.

If I did'nt get them on dries along the banks- I did'nt have success with the leadwing either because I could'nt get the drifts right with those sippers along the bank. The ones in faster water did respond pretty well.


Posted on: 2011/5/8 10:47
_________________
I flyfish because I enjoy it.


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2006/9/11 15:10
From collegeville, pa
Posts: 661
Offline
for calmer water try soft hackles like a few turns of partridge or something else, it moves naturally and buggy....i dont think a leadwing would be good for the calmer water but thats my opinion....

Posted on: 2011/7/5 15:49


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2011/6/2 19:12
From Minglewood
Posts: 1067
Offline
In the softer water try a spent caddis. I've stopped fishing the adult and emerging caddis patterns all together unless I am fishing for fish that aren't pressure which is pretty rare. I think the fish know what a dead caddis is just like they know what a spinners is and will willingly eat the dead ones over the alive ones anyday.

Posted on: 2011/7/5 16:05
_________________
There ain't no fish in here!


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2006/9/11 15:10
From collegeville, pa
Posts: 661
Offline
good advice RowJimmy....if you dont have a spent you can also fish the soft hackle like a dry

Posted on: 2011/7/5 16:46


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2010/9/1 13:55
From State College PA
Posts: 484
Offline
as others have wrote softhackles.

Compared to SHs, the lafontaine is not very effective IMO.

Posted on: 2011/7/5 21:36


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2008/6/11 8:53
From Hanover
Posts: 206
Offline
most times a graphic caddis works for me when the sparkle pupa fails

Posted on: 2011/7/6 12:20
_________________


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2009/9/9 14:52
From Bel Air, MD
Posts: 699
Offline
Quote:

govtmule wrote:
good advice RowJimmy....if you dont have a spent you can also fish the soft hackle like a dry


Yep...grease it a bit to keep it in the film.

Posted on: 2011/7/7 0:08


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2006/11/2 8:50
Posts: 6005
Offline
Be sure you are using the right size.

In the spring a size 16 tan bodied caddis is a common hatch.

In summer a caddis hatches that looks almost identical, but it's an 18, and it can make a big difference to the trout.

Posted on: 2011/7/7 14:24


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2006/9/21 0:02
From Pittsburgh
Posts: 4223
Offline
Quote:

troutbert wrote:
Be sure you are using the right size.

In the spring a size 16 tan bodied caddis is a common hatch.

In summer a caddis hatches that looks almost identical, but it's an 18, and it can make a big difference to the trout.


I tried #14 and #16 flies, even though the naturals appeared to be #14. I really don't think size was the problem
What was needed is a way to imitate the flies as they ascend to the surface. I saw quite a few rises where the fish missed the fly, and once it got on the water's surface - they wouldn't touch it. They were definitley keyed on emergers in motion.
Once of my buddies that I talked about it with later that day, suggested that maybe a leisenring lift might have worked.

Posted on: 2011/7/7 23:51


Re: Emerging Caddis?
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/11 8:26
From Chester County
Posts: 8845
Offline
Good thread. It's often tough to fool fish are chasing emerging caddis. The Lafountaine ESP & DSP work well for me most times. I also try SHs and CDC&Es. Realistically imitating the movement of an emerging insect is a difficult thing. If all that fails, RowJimmy may be right, eff the pupa and fish a spent caddis or go back to the truck for a cold one.

Posted on: 2011/7/8 8:02


Re: Emerging Caddis?

Joined:
2010/8/9 16:23
Posts: 3364
Offline
Quote:

afishinado wrote:
Good thread. It's often tough to fool fish are chasing emerging caddis. The Lafountaine ESP & DSP work well for me most times.


Tom,

Do you have a recipe for the LeFountaine caddis's?

Posted on: 2011/7/8 9:38



(1) 2 »



You can view topic.
You cannot start a new topic.
You cannot reply to posts.
You cannot edit your posts.
You cannot delete your posts.
You cannot add new polls.
You cannot vote in polls.
You cannot attach files to posts.
You cannot post without approval.

[Advanced Search]





Site Content
Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!
Stay Connected

twitterfeed.com facebook instagram RSS Feed

Sponsors
Polls





Copyright 2014 by PaFlyFish.com | Privacy Policy| Provided by Kile Media Group | Design by 7dana.com