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Re: Wild or Holdover?

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Was it dead when you took the pic? 19" are just little ones???? That fish is Nice..........whatever.

Posted on: 2013/3/19 6:51


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OK here is another holdover, survived the summer, winter and a raptor attack (talon marks both sides).

Likely this fish has been in the water almost a year. Took a beadhead after chowing down on stoneflies. Every time I would put this fish down with my stone I would wade downstream and he would rise again. So I went up and nymphed him. Just saw it drift to the right when my sighter went by and I lifted. Solid hook up!


And by what criteria do you determine that this fish isn't wild? I've caught a lot of wild fish that looked much like that in color, fin condition, etc. It is also not a very large fish which could be taken as in indication of wildness.

Just curious to hear what you used to determine that this was a stocked fish. These threads always seem to end up producing a million different opinions on the criteria used to determine stocked vs. wild.


Kev,

No eye spot, no red spots, many, many black spots. and the length vs weight ratio point to a stocked fish.

Out co-op nursery stocks brown trout usually in the 9-12" range. they are plump but not long. They resemble the spotting/coloration of this fish and never have red spots. When in the water a while they lose the weight/plumpness and slim down to more muscle. Usually that translates to this appearance. with brownish/orangeish lat line spots and an overabundance of black spots.

Sure the fins clean up and the adipose gets tinged with orange(usually) and red in the fall along with red flanking and even some of the non-lat line spots will infuse red.

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Re: Wild or Holdover?

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Agree with Maurice. The OP is a stocked fish. Not even a holdover, stocked fairly recently. Nice fish, though, congrats.

Maurice's #13 definitely has stocked origins, but could be a holdover. Dark, frayed fins. None of the wild markers such as the adipose, eye spot, bright red spots, etc. Decent overall color, and the shape, suggests holdover, so I'd agree with Maurice here too. But if I errored, it's on the side of it being a fresh stockie rather than a holdover.

#14 is pretty much the same as #13. But the fins are MUCH better. While fin color varies with seasons, that translucent quality is present on virtually all wild browns I have caught, and absent on freshly stocked fish. It may develop with time in the stream. I again agree with Maurice that it's a holdover, but would allow that it could be wild.

Both are fairly typical of the modern PFBC strain, and atypical of many wild strains. So even if #14 were wild, it's likely from fairly recent stocked progeny. I put little actual faith in that, though, because the wild strains vary so much and I know nothing about what wild strain may be in Muddy Creek.

Posted on: 2013/3/19 8:20


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Maurice probably stocked it. HE HE!

Posted on: 2013/3/19 10:45
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Maurice probably stocked it. HE HE!


There is a distinct possibility that I did.....

Posted on: 2013/3/19 11:40
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