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What Constitues A Catch

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I am just curious. What do you guys consider a catch?
Having the fish strike the fly.
Having a fish on your line for a considerable amount of time.
Having a fish on and you are able to reel in your line past the tip top.
Bringing the fish to hand and removing the hook.

I have heard all of these within the past 6 months.

My friends and I only count the fish brought to hand and released. But, I read an article pursuading fishermen to count strikes as well, because afterall, you fooled a fish. You always hear this from other fishermen, "Caught 5, but missed 4." To me, that means you caught 5, period. What do you guys think?

Posted on: 2006/12/2 18:51


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It is considered a catch when the fisherman has control of the fish, gets two feet in bounds and then makes a fishing move...oh wait...

If I hook one and lose it immediately and play another but end up losing it on the way in and bring one to hand, I say I hooked one lost one and caught one. Missed one means, to me at least, that the fish struck but I failed to get a hook up. Depends on how much money is at stake.

Posted on: 2006/12/2 19:55


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Count? Do people actually do that? Why?

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Since I traditionally don't keep count I haven't considered this much. This year, however, I have kept a fly fishing journal which includes how many fish caught among other things. If I am able to get a good initial hook set that allows me to get the fish within net reach and identify the species and size that's enough. Since I don't net most of my fish if they thrash off but probably could have been netted I suppose that can be considered "caught."

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Three guys rob a bank, the police get one in jail, they get one in cuffs but he runs out of the police car before getting to the station, and the other they shoot at but miss and he gets away.

How many bank robbers are "caught"?

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Since I traditionally don't keep count I haven't considered this much. This year, however, I have kept a fly fishing journal which includes how many fish caught among other things. If I am able to get a good initial hook set that allows me to get the fish within net reach and identify the species and size that's enough. Since I don't net most of my fish if they thrash off but probably could have been netted I suppose that can be considered "caught."



Me too.

Posted on: 2006/12/2 22:51
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Count? Do people actually do that? Why?


Yes. The positive side of C&R fishing is that the trout are returned to the water. The negative is that fishing is another "game" that guys compete at. "I got 9" "Well I got 11" Whatever... I'm sure it's always been that way.

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Once I stop turning the reel, its caught in my book. My goal is not to handle them just hook and play them. Its better they fall off before I have to touch them. Sure the larger or colorful or unusual fish(Tiger) I'd like to grab to snap a photo of but if they fall off as I'm lifting the line, its actually better for them. If I wanted to handle all my fish just to say they were caught, I would use barbed hooks and a net. As is, I use neither as I think they do more harm then good.

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Count? Do people actually do that? Why?


Yes. The positive side of C&R fishing is that the trout are returned to the water. The negative is that fishing is another "game" that guys compete at. "I got 9" "Well I got 11" Whatever... I'm sure it's always been that way.


It probably has always been that way, and I doubt that it will end soon. The point I was crudely trying to make is that it doesn't HAVE to be that way.

It's the choice of the angler. You can keep count, and compare with your buddies, to see who "won." Or not.

Not counting and competing changes the experience somewhat. It frees you up to think about other things.

You can take an interest in the trees and other vegetation, in the birds, in identifying nymphs in the stream, in the geology as you progress up the stream, in historical stuff (logging railroad grades etc.), checking the degree of deer browsing in the area, analyzing the stream habitat, doing photography, any number of things.

If you are really focused on a competition, catching more trout than someone else, it's difficult to pay much attention to other things and to notice your surroundings.

Posted on: 2006/12/3 10:56


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If you count strikes, you are also counting refusals, because afterall, many times on more pressured streams trout will rise to a fly and "miss" or just not take it, but you still see the rise and rings. I've even had refusals from brook & brown trout on unpressured streams.
No I consider a trout caught if you've brought it to hand. More liberally at you feet, because if it gets off at that point it's only a hand touvc away , and many times is shaken off and it is going to be released anyway.

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Matt,
I have always considered touching the leader as caught..But then I fish salt and fresh water. UnderI.G.F.A. rules if you touch the leader its a caught fish.so if I get a trout to the bank and it gets off its a lost fish unless i have touched the leader which you do anyway to release it.

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I count a fish as caught when it's in hand, which all in all I try to avoid. On the other hand, I do keep track of hook-ups simply because the number relative to the pattermn used is a useful entry in the journal.
Coughlin

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It's the choice of the angler. You can keep count, and compare with your buddies, to see who "won." Or not.

Not counting and competing changes the experience somewhat. It frees you up to think about other things.


Not to be a pisspot but counting how many you caught doesn't necessarily mean it is a competition. Keeping a log, fish caught per year, per hour, can just be a matter of interest to some. To others it can be an obsession. Neither indicates competition unless there is booty for the winner.

I count how many I caught and am interested in how many the other guys caught too. What they caught them on and where. This tells me about the stream and many of the things you describe.

I also find myself doing alot of the things you describe including becoming distracted by fixing tree tubes, taking pictures for websites, stopping to talk to landowners, helping them with chores if they accept my offers, etc. And when I'm done goofing off, I fish and I count. But I'm not competing...

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I take pictures and admire the world around me too. Let's get real, most people can take notice of the world around them, and yet still count at the same time. It's not rocket science (just geology, entomology, and mathmatics).

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I take pictures and admire the world around me too. Let's get real, most people can take notice of the world around them, and yet still count at the same time. It's not rocket science (just geology, entomology, and mathmatics).



That wasn't my point.

I fish the FFO stretch of Clarks Creek a lot, and so, I run into a lot of guys who I don't know real well. And when they ask about how I am doing, I usualy answer with "Not so well" or "The action's been pretty steady on..." To come up with an exact number, I'd have to replay the day and tell you where and how I caught each fish. It's just the way my head works. I don't keep tallies, I spin stories. Some guys really press. They want to know how many fish, so they can compare scores. It's a real turn off.

A board regular (who hasn't visited for a very long time) used to carry a walkie talkie with him when fishing with his cousin. They would call out their count after every released fish and argue about whether a fish "counted" or not. It gave me a headache.

My own fishing buddy Paul rarely gives his "count". If he does it's not boasting. It's one of the reasons why I enjoy fishing with him so much.

I'd say a fish "counts" if you say it does. What will it matter for your journal, so long as you note it properly? Who's going to know? Who really cares? Unless of course you are competing, and then there has to be rules. (bleh)

Posted on: 2006/12/4 7:17
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