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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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Both stockies, the colors are very faded on both the bottom fish clearly has split fins, the upper fish looks like it has split fins, but the pic is blurry. The LL gets stocked about 6 times a year, plus whatever the hatchery folks put in. That's why it's critical to get the stocking regime changed for the Lehigh Valley streams. They really don't need to be stocked at all, and shouldn't be.
For this stream it really doesn't matter whether they are wild or stocked, because if you can catch fish there, with all the pressure they are under from anglers, then you can catch fish anywhere.

Posted on: 2013/11/18 10:08
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It's time to stop stocking all wild trout streams no matter what Classification they are, and time to eradicate brown trout in some of our limestone streams and re-establish brookies in them.


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I also agree that #1 is wild, #2 is stocked. Most of the PA stocked browns (or at least in my neck of the woods) have that look. The stockers remind me of digital camo because their spots tend to be more square and blurry rather than round and defined.

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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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OK guys.... enlighten me. Which are stocked and which are wild???


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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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They're all bows. I suck with bows. Browns are the easiest, bows are the hardest. Also, the pics often don't show the whole fish.

But, if I'm gonna take a shot, I first need to know. Are these all PA fish? Hatchery fish from different states can be far different in appearance than PA fish.

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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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All PA fish and before someone starts splitting hairs, of course they were all stocked (at some point) since bows aren't native to this area.

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D River = wild. Next?

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Tom,
You're out on this one. I'm trying to prove a point. LMAO

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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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Pat,
All of the bows are wild. They are from WB, EB or Main Stem.


OK, since browns are easier.......here's 3 that were caught by forum members. 2 are wild. Which ones though?

Also, if anyone wasn't sure if Spicoli was wild or stocked, he's wild. Showed up on Friday to fish or golf. He had too many beers and didn't fish or golf.

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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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#1: Can't tell, picture doesn't show whole fish.
#2: Wild. 70% sure.
#3: There is no #3
#4: Wild. 80% sure
#5: Poor picture, doesn't show whole fish. But I'll lean wild based on white on anal fin with clear line. 60%
#6: Wild: 80%
#7: There is no #7
#8: Wild: based on perfect, white tipped anal fin. 80%
#9: No way to tell, can't see whole fish.

On bows, I'm never more than about 80% sure....

Posted on: 2013/11/18 11:48


Re: Stocked or Wild?

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Big browns are tougher than little ones. But #2 is definitely wild. Very strong eye spot, spot pattern, good fins.

#1 and #3 I'd call questionable. Knowing that 1 is wild and 1 is not, I'd guess that #1 is the stocker. #3 has the eye spot, good looking rayed fins, etc.

Posted on: 2013/11/18 11:51


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Pat,
All of the bows are wild. They are from WB, EB or Main Stem.


OK, since browns are easier.......here's 3 that were caught by forum members. 2 are wild. Which ones though?

Also, if anyone wasn't sure if Spicoli was wild or stocked, he's wild. Showed up on Friday to fish or golf. He had too many beers and didn't fish or golf.


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Congrats, you guessed right. Fish were from Lacky, Yough and Delaware. The point I'm trying to make is guessing is involved in most cases. When looking at those browns....who cares if wild or stocked? Anyone of those will put a grin on your face and they all look good.

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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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I care, but probably not in the manner you think I do. Yes, they all put a grin on your face. i.e. I'm not claiming a "preference". I'm not claiming one to be a lesser or greater accomplishment than the other. If you think I am implying something along those lines, that's your bias, not mine.

I just find learning about fisheries and what makes them tick interesting. Understanding wild vs. stocked is part of that. I'm just as interested in, for instance, understanding how a diet rich in baitfish changes the looks of a fish vs. one rich in mayflies vs. one rich in shrimp and scuds. Perhaps such info will help me catch fish someday. If not, it's still interesting!

I agree, there is often guesswork involved. I commented on the OP's fish that it was a rare case where it was relatively clear.

Posted on: 2013/11/18 12:53


Re: Stocked or Wild?

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Typically, you are fishing in a stream that is put & take, stocked with some wild population, mostly wild & stocked fish over it or a self-sustainable wild fishery. Knowing what the stream offers solved most of the mystery. I think you'll also agree that it's sometimes nearly impossible to determine "wild or stocked" . I've seen ragged looking wild fish and beautiful stockers.

Like some posts on here, I've caught a wild looking bow on a stream that isn't supposed to have them. I scratch my head, release the fish and keep casting. Could be wild or a helpful angler could have bought a few hundred fingerlings and tossed them in. Not sure & don't really care as long as they arent hurting anything.

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Re: Stocked or Wild?

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Here was a case where he caught both fish, the wild and the stocker, in the same stream. This looks to be a case where everything was very much the same.

But these streams I find the most interesting. What is the catch rate of one vs. the other? Does that change after a drought or a flood? Does one hit dries more often, while the other is more likely to take nymphs? On a cold day, does the catch rate of one improve while another lessens. Does he catch one mostly in slow water, while the other more often in faster riffles? Does that change with the seasons? So many questions that can be answered. I don't much care what they look like, it's questions like the above that I'm interested in. And yes, most of them can be somewhat extrapolated to help you catch more fish in other locations.

I do indeed fish differently if I know I'm after stockers vs. wild fish. And, on the LL, for instance, if the stockers shut off and the wilds turn on, I'm going to adjust my tactics to target wilds more specifically.

The part of this sport that I love is gaining knowledge about streams, trout populations, and all of the million variables and how they interact. That's my goal, not merely catching a few fish. I'll come up with a theory and a fishing plan based on that. If forced to alter my plan because my theory was wrong, well, so long as I learn why my theory was wrong, it's a successful day. The frustrating days are the ones where you don't understand your own success or failure. I can have a day where I catch 40 monster trout. Can't keep em off the line. And if I can't fathom why I was so successful, I'm not happy! It's not about feeling a tug on the end of the line, the catching fish part is merely proof of concept.

Regarding telling apart, yes, I have always said that there are fish that are "tweeners" and difficult to tell. On browns and brookies, I'd say I'd be >80% accurate though, with just a decent picture, and not knowing the stream. With the knowledge of the stream, that rate would improve.

Posted on: 2013/11/18 13:37

Edited by pcray1231 on 2013/11/18 13:54:21



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