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Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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FWIW, as of last week there is a now an Orvis store in Rochester, NY for people that come up here for winter steel.

Posted on: 2013/11/23 17:38


Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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I was there today... Had a difficult time finding a use for that $25 off coupon. It's a clothing store with a fly fishing display. The fly tying materials were priced reasonably enough that $25 of $50 of materials was a good deal.

Posted on: 2013/11/23 23:46


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denovich wrote:
I was there today... Had a difficult time finding a use for that $25 off coupon. It's a clothing store with a fly fishing display. The fly tying materials were priced reasonably enough that $25 of $50 of materials was a good deal.


What did they not have that you were looking for?

I checked out the store set-up. The store carries > 100 fly rods from trout weights to salt water weights from tip flex to mid flex to full flex and in price ranges from low to high, the entire Orvis brand reel line is displayed, a wall of fly line to match the all the rods, waders and boots in all sizes, packs and vests and nets and FFing gizmos and tools and leaders and tippet along with a selection of flies, FFing books and DVDs, fly tying materials, tools and vises.

Plus they added a learning center where you can sit down and plug into the Orvis "Learning Center" on the store laptop or search other FFing sites or videos to get info on anything FFing.

In addition, they along with other Orvis stores will be offering free fly tying classes this winter and free fly-fishing classes this spring in the store and the water. All this to promote the sport of fly-fishing and to get new folks involved.

Fly-fishing is a small niche of the market. In other words, there aren't enough FFers to support a store of that size, and in that location. (See RLeeP's post above). In addition, FFing is very seasonal while clothing is not, for the most part. Clothing always has been a big part of the Orvis product mix and always will be.

Check out any Cabela's store and note the space in the store dedicated to FFing stuff vs all the hunting clothing and merchandise as well as spin fishing and other outdoor sports. Maybe1% of the store is FFing? That's why it is so tough for a 100% dedicated "Fly Shop" to survive in this day and age, and why many are not around anymore.


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Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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... the thing that will make or break an Orvis Company Store in Pittsburgh is the general level of disposable income in the area. If you don't have pretty strong numbers of family folks making 150K plus or singles or couples without kids making 100K or better, its tough to sustain a company store with the inventory mix they seem to carry...

They are located in a very high end shopping mall, in the center of the most affluent area south of the Monongahela River.
There is plenty of disposable income at that location.
It has to compete only with one full service fly shop (ironically, also an Orvis dealer) for their customers who are actually fly fishermen.
The spouse of a fly fisherman who is in the Galleria will stop in. Hopefully, they will buy something.
Many other fishing tackle companies have come and gone since 1856. I'd like to think that they know what they're doing.

Posted on: 2013/11/24 8:36
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It has to compete only with one full service fly shop (ironically, also an Orvis dealer) for their customers who are actually fly fishermen.


Do you think the other store will continue, or close? This surely will impact their business.

Posted on: 2013/11/24 8:58


Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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Do you think the other store will continue, or close? This surely will impact their business.

I hope they will not close.
The other store (International Angler) has been around for a long time, and not too long ago consolidated two retail locations into one. They provide great service, as I'm sure Orvis will try to do. The Angler sells many high end as well as low end manufactured goods, plus the Orvis brand.
They are not too far apart as the crow flies, but very different locations.
Any pure fly shop doesn't have to compete with the business across town. They must compete with the Internet.
Too many of us think that buying a few flies or a leader and some tying materials will help keep the place afloat.
Not true.
The high ticket items (rods, reels, lines, waders and boots) are what allow them to stay in business, and provide us that service.
I hope they both stay in business, but with the constant close out sales on high ticket items from various web sites hurts them.
And in the end, hurts us, too.

Posted on: 2013/11/24 9:30
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Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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I bought my first fly rod from international angler 30 years ago - back when they were just a little hole in the wall located in Aspinwall.

But yeah - I'm really wondering if they will survive now. Besides this new Orvis store - they're also facing more competition from the field and stream store that opened in cranberry over the summer, and the LLBean store that opened several years ago in ross park mall

Posted on: 2013/11/24 9:52


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I hope I. Angler doesn't take a hit. It's a good store and they've always treated me well in there.


Posted on: 2013/11/25 5:30


Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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I stopped in yesterday and used my coupon. Picked up Dynamic Nymphing book and some fly tying materials, so was very easy to use the $25 off of $50, coupon.

I don't think Angler will take that much of a hit from the Orvis store. The Field & Stream store has about 10X as much equipment as the Orvis store, so if anything, that might make more of an impact.

I think the Orvis store might need some more sales coaching though. Since I immediately went to the fly tying section, they must have assumed I already knew what I was doing, so the couple of sales people that walked by me didn't engage me at all. I would think up-sell is a big part of what they should do. Also, I was right next to the fly rods when a couple of teenagers walked in and started looking at them. The salesperson immediately started showing them the Helios2 without asking them any background on if they fished or had any experience yet. Not sure a $1,000 fly rod is where people should start. Maybe they were experienced anglers, but I wouldn't have guessed. Could be wrong...

But I can say there was a lot of foot traffic in the clothing/apparel section, and the register was ringing the entire time I was there, so looks like they are off to a good start.

Posted on: 2013/11/25 9:24


Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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Ok, it's an easy store to spend money in... I was having difficulty finding something I _needed_ to spend money on. I had a few ideas. I would have loved to pick up something I considered over-priced (Marc Petijean's Magic Tool, or RIO shooting line) at a bit of a discount. A Sling Pack would have been a good purchase too, but I already bought one a few months back. They carry mostly the basics and I have the basics covered.

Posted on: 2013/11/25 11:12


Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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Was actually dissapointed. Way too 'new money' feel for me. I like the small-town, general store feel of the Ligonier Orvis store much better. Cashed in my $25.00 coupon on a small trout net though - as if I need another net.

Posted on: 2013/11/28 11:15


Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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Like I said in my previous post, most of us have all the gear we need already. Its the new angler or the person getting back into the sport that make the majority of the big purchases. I was away from fly fishing for 13 years ( Went and wrenched on sprint cars in W.Pa. from 1990 to 2003 ). When I did get back to fishing I bought all new gear, a Sage DS 2, Orvis Clearwater reel, Simms Lightweight Waders and boots all from International Angler(nice place & good people). Also bought most of my gear from Rich Zoog & Don Boyan who owned Orchard View Angling when they were in business. They were great guys and I hope they are doing well in what ever venture they may be in today.

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Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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I too went to the new Orvis store recently, and also wondering why they would put it in such a bad location. Like mentioned, it's in Bethel Park Mall, which is a "upper end" mall, according to the fellow whom I asked being that it was my first time there. Never been to IAngler but the Orvis store was nice. An associate told me that they haven't even sold an Helios 2 yet. Was standing in line and happend to look at the cash register read 5000.00$ and it happend to be a Orvis Jacket that this lady purchased. Hmmm.. Never would I spend that on a jacket.. Maybe a fly rod though ;).

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Re: Pittsburgh Orvis Store

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I think it's probably as good a location as they could find, since we don't really have any destination trout streams in the Pittsburgh area. The only higher end malls are the Galleria, which this store is in, or Ross Park Mall (which already has LL Bean, which I heard no longer carries flyfishing, but would still compete with the non-fishing merch....)


Another nitpick thing, they didn't' have any of the Pennsylvania specific fly fishing books. The Field & Stream Store has 7 or 8 different books, including the hatch guides for PA and also New York, so I'm sure Orvis could find a distributor that has them. I thought that was a pretty big miss on them trying to get "local"...



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Ross Park Mall (which already has LL Bean, which I heard no longer carries flyfishing,

Not a full on fly shop but still has waders, boots, rods, reels, lines, leader, tippet, and one of the largest fly selections in the area...

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