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Let Me Get This Off My Chest
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While fishing the Little J Saturday with Gino, we had an experience that angered me and I've kept it to myself. Now I want to unload.

I have always respected private property when posted, and even when it isn't, where a reasonable opportunity exists for seeking permission to fish, I will ask. I have done this with Gino along and hope to instill proper manners in him by example.

Well, we parked below Rothrock Forest along the road to the forest lot near Barree. I know that there is a short section of streamside land that has signage, so we entered the water well-below this. We worked our way up to the tail of the long pool and noticed a group of adults and perhaps children with a small encampment set up on the posted streamside land. There were two fishing lines projecting into the water from the bank about 10 feet above the water, going out at an angle to about 1/3 the way across the river.

Not wanting to disturb their fishing, I guided Gino to the far side of the river, perhaps 10-15 yards from the shore and we began wading up into the hole hoping to catch some risers on the far shore. We saw a rise near a downed tree and Gino waded into position to cast. I tried to wade up above him, but the water was deepening, so I backed down behind him.

Just about then I saw a canoe come darting across the river from where the group was camped out. There was a young woman and her dog in the canoe. She shot right upstream of Gino, maybe 20 feet or less and slammed her canoe against the downed tree, more or less "beaching" it there. She shoo-ed her dog into the water and he scampered up on shore. She started splashing around trying to get him to swim. She then teased him with a stick, threw it in the direction of Gino's line and told him to "fetch." The dog showed more manners than she and refused, so she splashed around some more. Gino turned around in disgust and came down my way having had his fishing spot ruined.

We both agreed to a choice word to describe her and returned to the water below the tail out.

Earlier, we encountered with kayakers and rafters and when Gino commented about them putting fish down, I told him we had to share the river.

With hindsight, I wish I would have been more vocal at the time, telling that $%&* her behavior was rude. Better yet, I should have waded up through the middle of the hole, crossing as close to their fishing lines as possible in the hopes they would comment. On the other hand, with so much open acess across private lands, why take a chance on a landowner backlash by being combative.

Anyhow, just wanted to get that off my chest. If you know these people, maybe you can find a way to let them know that there are two anglers who think they acted like @$$*&%#s.

Posted on: 2007/6/18 14:21
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I see it all of the time on the more popular floating waters, it just comes down to people having respect for one another. Ive had guys come down the water and ask me where would be the best way for them to not mess me up. And ive had others cross within two feet of me splashing the whole way. Im an avid kayaker as well and whenever I come across someone fishing I always either go behind them if possible or float as close to the far bank as possible and don't do any paddling whatsoever.

Posted on: 2007/6/18 15:14


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I am convinced that this girl was intentionally trying to disturb our fishing. I even believe the rest of the gang had put her up to it. She cryptically called back to them that she "had forgot the shampoo." If it seemed remotely possible she was merely unconscious of her infringing on us, I wouldn't even be upset.

Posted on: 2007/6/18 15:29
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I wouldn't doubt that she was trying to mess you up on purpose. Maybe the rest of her group thought you were "moving in" on them or something. Then again some people are just selohssa.

Posted on: 2007/6/18 15:42


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The lady who used to live there, was one of the nicest people I have ever met, don't know who lives there now?? Sorry you had that experience, especially that Gino witnessed it.

Posted on: 2007/6/18 16:51


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Jack,

Sounds to me like you were bullied. It happens, Next time cast a big trebble into the eyeball of her dog...Maybe she will play in the water somewhere else.

Seriously, I would have said something. This is exaxtly the kind of thing the judges decision is supposed to prevent. I wuld have gotten close enough to the canoe to inform her it was illegal to harrass anglers and she was invading your recreational space. You believe it to be intentional and she could be arrested.

She can take that back to the "family" what are they gonna do..post the property? Its already posted.

Maurice

Posted on: 2007/6/18 17:59
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thats a shame jack. some people are just jerks. i glad to hear how you are instilling good values in gino. hope the rest of your outings are jerk free!

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Isn't there a law on the PFC books regarding dogs and cold water fisheries? I ran into a similar problem at fisherman's paradise. While casting to a fish, some huck threw a stick right at my feet and had is 2 rotweilers go after it. I spoke up which resulted in him coming over and begging me to take a swing. Another fisherman saw what was happening and called the police. The hilljack spit in my face just as the State Trooper pulled into the lot. The trooper mentioned a law that a dog must be leashed and can not disturb the anglers. I asked for charges to be pressed for assault and the trooper told me that he's handle it. I had a similar experience on the Tully when someone decided to train their labs near the water plant while there were 10 fisherman casting to rising fish. Most fisherman left but I spoke up. The dog's owner told me to quit crying. It was public property and I could move if I wasn't happy. I let them know that they may be inside the laws of the state park but the stream is governed by the PFC and they may want to check out their laws before being so smug. I own a dog but I'm also curtious and responsible. There are idiots everywhere.

Posted on: 2007/6/18 22:10


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I would have grabbed the canoe and unceremoniously turned it over and when she went in held her under for long enough that she'd get the point. Then if someone said something I would have dragged the idiot into the water and held him under. Seriously though, I would have said something to the $@?!. Harrassment of anglers is against the law I would have reminded them of that, and then if they had a problem with it, I would have taken a picture of them and their car and been off to see the police.

Posted on: 2007/6/19 8:29


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I personally would not go messing with a bunch of people on their own turf. I would move, especially if i had my kid with me. Jack I am sure that you are all to aware that there are tons of crazies out there. A few good old boys and some alcohol in the middle of the woods. You or Gino could have gotten into a bad situation. My wife calls me paranoid but in a situation like that I visualise what "could" happen and work backwards from there.

We are just out there to catch fish, not get into altercations. Reguradless of who is right or wrong, if someone is being that obtrusive would you bet your life on the fact that they will back down and aplologize?

Posted on: 2007/6/19 9:01


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I actually once got ran over by a raft on the Yough. I really doubt it was intentional since it was one of those family guided sort of deals and I heard a girl in the raft say "Oh my God, were going to hit him" Capt Matt was there, one of the funniest things he's ever seen, according to him.

Posted on: 2007/6/19 9:49


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By the way, good advice ryanh. You never really know who your dealing with.

Posted on: 2007/6/19 10:27


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Jack, I guess I have been lucky because I have never had anything that bad happen to me. But if I had, I like to think I would have just walked away like you did. When i was younger? Maybe not. There is no need to escalate a situation like that. It would only make you more angry in the long run, and you would probably regret it, especially since Gino was along.

Like i always say. Some people are idiots, and there goes one. Well, usually I leave out the word "some"

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good advice ryan. once i got ran over by a canoe on pine creek in the canyon.i know that wasent intentional because the asian people trying to navigate the thing where going in circles and sideways the whole way. the apologized up and down. it was pretty funny. but still good advice ryan....no need for gino to see the wrath of jackm and a bad situation get worse. plus u dont know how crazy that person is. luckly im pretty crazy myself
but remember jack what goes around comes around. someday they will get it back! probably do the same thing to stonefly and get drowned!

Posted on: 2007/6/19 20:38
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Like my mamma always said...
DON'T MESS WITH CRAZY PEOPLE!

She was talking about her inlaws.

Posted on: 2007/6/19 21:22
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