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Electro Fishing in Valley Creek

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Has anyone got information on the incident that happened at Valley with the electro fishing that caused a fish kill.. I went up to Valley last monday and seen at the most 6 trout . When I asked a freind about it he said the only way you see the fish on Valley is when you catch them ...

Posted on: 2006/12/7 8:00


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From the PA Trout Newsletter;
"In September, members volunteered to help a professional
environmental survey company to again do
work on Valley Creek. In one stream section, electrofishing
turned up more than twice the quantity of brown
trout ever recorded. Unfortunately, something went terribly
wrong. Most of the trout did not survive. This error
in judgement, lack of understanding, lack of pre-planning
-- or whatever -- has caused a huge hole in the trout
population of Valley Creek."

I've participated in PFBC surveys, and the fish are handled and released very quickly and very few if any fish are permanently harmed and if you see even 1 fish dead afterward it's not very common. As they said something went terribly wrong.

It surprises me you found dead fish; though they probably aren't the result of the fish kill, because they wouldn't be there very long given the number of scavengers around the park.

Posted on: 2006/12/7 8:17


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Sorry That was 6 live trout

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"We have good news and bad news. The good news is that the wild trout poulation has doubled on Valley Creek. The bad news is that we killed them all."

That is just terrible. When you think of all the time, effort, money and sweat that has gone into nursing along the trout populations in Valley Creek, to have an entire section wiped out by something like this is unbelievable. I hope the section wasn't very big.

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Will the people responsible for the "error of judgment" or whatever be required to remediate the stream or in some manner compensate the public for the damage done? It seems that this is the usual course taken when pollution "accidents" cause fish kills-- shouldn't the same procedure apply here?

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This is just ridiculous...I just did a field study write up for my one class on this exact thing and its very easy to do with almost no harm to fish. Unbelievable they have idiots doing this. The thing that disturbs me is that after 10 minutes of being shocked the fish wake up, If you dont see them waking up wouldnt you stop doing it?

Posted on: 2006/12/7 9:58


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I know this is a rare occurence but it does raise the question of why electroshock a stream that obviously has a abundant trout population. Anyone who fishes it can figure out how many trout there are. Also, its not that hard to see trout in pools or see the YOY in the shallows or adults on/near redds during the spawning period. Its like trapping deer in a park to see how many there are per acre when its pretty obvious there are lots of them around. A stupid and totally unnecessary loss of trout.

Walk along any stream during any low water period and find a pool. Put on a pair of polarized sunglasses and take a look. Within seconds you'll know how many trout that stream holds. I mean is it really necessary to shock trout EVERY year on Cedar Run(Tioga) like it appears they do? Wow, what a "shock" there's a lot of trout. Big surprise

Mark

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Quote:

Anyone who fishes it can figure out how many trout there are.

Yeah, they could have asked me. From my experience on Valley Creek, I would say there are approximately 3 trout per mile.

Posted on: 2006/12/8 8:10


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Now Wulfman, according to NJangler's thesis any angler worth his strike putty should be able to pull 30 to 40 "cathable" fish per mile from that stream

The problem for me is that the only catchable fish are severely mentally retarded, meaning the average number of these fish per mile is on the order of 1 or 2 at best.

Posted on: 2006/12/8 9:28


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Ryan, I didn't mean to imply that I can actually CATCH 3 trout per mile on Valley.

In fairness to NJAngler, Valley Creek is different than most, as far as the population of stealth-trout goes.

Posted on: 2006/12/8 10:13


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Sorry to hear this sad news.
George Harvey, in his books, condemns electrofishing.
He used to work for the fish commission, and has much experience with stream surveys.
I'm sure this was, hopefully, an isolated incident,- but just thought I'd mention it

Posted on: 2006/12/8 11:50


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This is very sad news, and once the sadness subsides, I'm going to be really angry. Does anyone know which section and how long it was?
Coughlin

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Another great tragedy of this situation is that Valley Creek TU has been a stellar chapter over the years. The damage to it's awesome reputation is regrettable. Although, I hope nothing like this happens again, I also hope that the incident is viewed against the chapter's accomplishments.

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Pad – it’s actually the Valley Forge TU, the chapter that I am a member of. I just recently joined, since moving to the area, and have not contributed to their effort on Valley Creek. But, there are a lot of folks who put in a lot of hard work to preserve, improve and protect that stream. I feel bad about this setback, and hope the damage wasn’t very extensive. Any person who lays blame to the chapter or any member of the chapter is totally off base. This wild trout stream exists in this high population area almost solely through the efforts of the chapter members and leaders. The stream will repopulate. Perhaps a lesson can be learned.

Posted on: 2006/12/8 14:17


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Afishinado is correct. If it was not for VFTU there would not be fishable pops of wild trout in Valley imo. They have been watching over this stream for 20 years or so, and were at the forefront of stream stewardship in a time when no one was thinking about it. This should nto be held against them.

Having said all that, this is indeed a bad deal for the wild trout. From what I gather the area in question is very far upstream, prolly farther upstream than most of us fish and the study being performed was just one of the ongoing studies done every once in a while to look at the pollution effects which led to VC becoming an unstocked stream. Because of the upstream location I think it is something the stream can come back from.

Posted on: 2006/12/8 14:52



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