Frederick.............Howdy brother , don't know if that was for me or not , but thanks anyhow , brownliner for life here , you should come and let me take you for carp on the Raystown sometime , it was a pleasure and surprise to meet you at the jam , and i remember asking you the question , "Brownliners have more fun" would make a great bumpersticker , cause it's true , i like to fish for trout , i LOVE to fish for trout , but i REALLY LOVE catching fish and if i have to get my line brown so be it. You make great posts Marine.