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Tippet twist

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I had an unusual amount of line twist on my tippet this past Monday.
Any input onto what might be the causes.

I changed my leader this week and instead of loop to loop fly line to leader connection I used an Albright knot. The knot's "not" perfect but holds well, it has a slight hump so I'm not ruling that out as a possible cause.

Posted on: 2013/5/29 16:21


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Usually caused by a fly that acts a fan. Cut-wing dryflys a the worst offenders.

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A large hopper twisted me up pretty well today, but it caught fish soooo....

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Long tippets don't help.

But the culprit is more often than not the fly. When one side of the fly has more wind resistance than the other, it twists up. I have some issues with cut wings, but the cut wing thorax ties are usually ok for me. For me it's usually a fly that's unraveling, or a spinner pattern that got one wing all screwy.

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As stated above the twisting problem is probably fly related. The main reason for my post is that I don't know what the advantage is to using an Albright knot for your leader to fly line connection. The Albright is a very popular knot for connecting fly line to backing on a saltwater set up. It is a very secure knot but requires the fly line to be doubled over into a bight to tie it which creates a bulkier profile that would tend to hang up a lot more on the eyelets of your rod. A nail knot is a much more streamlined knot for that connection.

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Two common problems that cause the leader to twist:

1) The fly is too large for the diameter of the tippet

2) Some flies like very large cut wing dry flies can cause the fly to "propeller" during casting, especially when tied to smaller diameter tippet.

Posted on: 2013/5/29 21:47


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thanks for the replies

do410 I'm still unable to tie a blood knot, I've used different knots and loops on my fly line to leader connection, just trying out the albright knot, it seems as good as anything else I've used. I am still practicing knot tying and hopefully will get the nail knot tied someday.

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Henrydavid,

You are not alone, many folks struggle with the nail knot. There are many different tools on the market to assist in tying one. I would recommend going to a fly shop and ask them to show you how to use the different tools they have available. Then ask to practice tying a few with it before actually buying one. The most important part in the nail knot is being able to tuck the one end of the mono under your loops (that is where the tool will help you). Also managing the loops and keeping them lined up when you tighten up the knot can be challenging. Keep an old fly line and spool of heavier mono around and keep practicing. Eventually you will get it. Good luck.

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Every time I see someone recommending a nail knot tool, it makes me cringe.

It's harder to learn how to use the tool than it is to tie a nail knot without one.



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Ed, that looks very interesting, but it isn't exactly a nail knot. If it works just as well, then I like it as a replacement. First time I have seen it so simplified.

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Actually, the finished knot is exactly the same as a nail knot tied with a tool.

It's just an easier way to tie the nail knot, no tool necessary.

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I learned a nail knot using a piece of mono instead a nail, from a youtube video. Its a little bit of a pain to tie, but nothing that gives me fits. Now blood knots...yeah I'm having some trouble with them.

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Thanks for the video

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Pick up the latest issue of Fly Fishing magazine (I think that's the one.. they've got it at Walmart here). It has a very cool blood knot variety that involves tying the two lines together in a half-hitch first so they can't move about

Ah, Fly Fisherman Magazine

https://store.intermediaoutdoors.com/p ... Easy-2013-Beginners-Guide

Posted on: 2013/5/31 2:26


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The knot I use for both tying fly line to backing and leader to fly line is a knot I learned in a book titled Fishing Dry Flies for Trout on Rivers and Streams by Art Lee. I think it's called the unit-knot or unit splice knot. Anyway, it is the easiest knot to tie and I have never had it slip. I had nothing but problems when I used the loop to loop setup. This book also has a really helpful drawing on hand postion for tying a blood knot. Made it easy for me.

Next, when I have experience tippet twist is when I'm using too thin of tippet for the size fly I'm using. Such as using a medium sized hopper on 6X tippet. That may not be your cause but there it is.

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