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Re: Stomach Pumps
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Let me get this straight...we spend our time trying to trick a fish into eating something that isn't even food only to impale them with a hook and pull them around to near exhaustion. And to top that off we feel we must reward them by removing the real food they worked efficiently to consume...what kind of diabolical creatures we flyfishers are?

Posted on: 2013/9/21 22:48
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Mo , gotta agree with what you say , i think , any evil barstaqge that has to use a device like that has got to be very insecure on their abilities and a black mark on our sport.

Posted on: 2013/9/22 7:34


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I think it's very presumptuous to say its not harmful. we just don't know. I think it's just going too far. their brains are pea sized. a little net to scoop up a bug...ok...stomach pump.....not for me.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 11:12


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Well, no one said it wasn't "harmful," but I did say it isn't as harmful as people claim. I found a pump once on a stream and tried it a couple times, which was all it took to convince me it wasn't worth the risk and trouble. But claiming a responsible use of a stomach "pump" is barbaric seems a little over the top-- like every trout on every stream is on the verge of starvation. Not!

Posted on: 2013/9/23 11:17
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I occasionally use a stomach pump on trout, but I always put everything back or replace it with a big Mac.

Seriously though. I have on occasion examined what a trout had recently eaten, but only after deciding that I was going to eat the trout. Pump was not used.

IMO a stomach pump for trout is extremely lame. Just another useless yuppie gadget that I wished I had invented.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 12:05
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Let me get this straight...we spend our time trying to trick a fish into eating something that isn't even food only to impale them with a hook and pull them around to near exhaustion. And to top that off we feel we must reward them by removing the real food they worked efficiently to consume...what kind of diabolical creatures we flyfishers are?


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Mo , gotta agree with what you say , i think , any evil barstaqge that has to use a device like that has got to be very insecure on their abilities and a black mark on our sport.


Sorry, I just gotta roll my eyes at this.

After all that Mo describes that we do to the fish, stalking it, fooling it, impaling it with a hook, and then doing battle....to draw the line of moral outrage at using a stomach pump on one or two fish is laughable.

Fishing is blood sport. If your line in the sand is pumping the stomach, but everything else we do to the precious little trouts is a.o.k. in your book, I just gotta say....wow.

Maybe ya'll should snip the hooks off your flies at the bend and fish dries only, just count the takes you get for your end of day tally. Or maybe even that's too far since you've then caused the fish to expend unwarranted energy to inspect and take your hookless fly. We all know what delicate little creatures the trouts are.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 12:45


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Great response tomi. I can't even argue with it. But I still think it is just a lame gadget.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 12:55
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Can we pump the owner of this post Just to see what he has eaten?

It's probably not important and neither is doing it to any fish.


Posted on: 2013/9/23 15:20
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I've never used one but having just seen a picture of a brookie eating another brookie almost of the same size (or a brown trout swallowing a prickly panfish) I can't imagine a skinny tube being an issue.

Posted on: 2013/9/24 8:31


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I've never had any desire to pump the stomach on any fish. I just want to get it back in the water as quickly as possible, without any further stress.

+1

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I've never used a stomach pump and I'm pretty sure I never will.

Two reasons...

1) I don't really care what the trout has been eating. From GPS mapping to the 3,650,912 resident fly fishing experts on the internet to fly lines that are designed in such a way that they barely touch the guides on the cast and shoot like poop through a goose and advances in tippet material formulation that, just in my time fishing have doubled or tripled the average strength of our tippets, we already have more than enough tools at our command. The fish deserve to maintain whatever edge remains them in the contest.

2) If someday, a superior life form arrives on our spinning orb and decides, against our volition, to pump our stomachs to gain information on our diets, etc, I want to at least have the opportunity to try to use the Golden Rule defense to dissuade them from pumping my stomach. I couldn't do this if I had a history of using a stomach pump on trout. I'd be a hypocrite of the first order. So, I don't...

Posted on: 2013/9/24 9:51


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Rleep sums it up nicely.

If I were a real biologist, doing real biologist nonsense that required me to sample the actual food fish were eating, then maybe.

I'm not. I'm a guy in rubber pants waving a stick in the air. At what point am I just being a jackhole and torturing animals so I can be an elite fisherman?

Pretty sure the stomach pump is about it.

Keep some perspective about what you're actually doing.

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Just ask yourself, would it be needed on bluegills?

Posted on: 2013/9/24 10:08
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At what point am I just being a jackhole and torturing animals so I can be an elite fisherman?


Pretty much at that moment when you've stuck that fish with that pointy little hook on the end of your line...unless you're figuring to harvest your quarry.

Posted on: 2013/9/24 10:34


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I have never used a stomach pump and don't intend to in the future.

Posted on: 2013/9/24 10:47
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