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Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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The GL3 is a G.Loomis rod, not Sage.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 12:36
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Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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that should be a fine streamer rod rhbuilds. I have a T3 in tip flex and use it primarily for that purpose. Before you spend $500 I'd go check them out in Downingtown or Plymouth Mtg.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 13:22


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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is the sage a fast action, i want to throw streamers and big bugs.


Sage is a company, and offers an entire lineup of models, from slow action to fast action, and from fairly expensive to ridiculously expensive, lol. They do tend to be known more for their faster action rods. Though I've never owned one (too expensive), a Sage XP was perhaps the sweetest rod I've ever cast. The XP is no longer made and was replaced with the Z-axis, I've manfondled them in shops but never really cast one.

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i dont see a GL3 on sage web site.


The GL3 is/was a model made by G. Loomis, and Loomis was always one of the closer comparisons to Sage (i.e. known for good fast rods and fairly expensive). It was a "value" priced model, in the same price range as the Orvis Power Matrix, but a step higher than their entry level GL2, which I've never tried. The GL3 would be described as medium-fast, but IMO its much more powerful than the Power Matrix and would make a much better streamer rod. G Loomis' more expensive, faster model was always the GLX, and was more in the price range of the Sage XP/Z-axis category (i.e. very expensive). I cast one at a shop once and had a very positive first impression, but never was able to give a GLX a true looksee on a stream. Loomis underwent some significant changes rather recently, and I don't know what they make these days, but if there's something you want you can usually find one around somewhere even if its not still in production.

As far as rod quality, if you find an Orvis you really like, go for it, but their tapers never screamed powerful or streamer rod to me, rather they excelled in soft actions and that just ain't my cup o tea (perhaps why I never liked their rods). Of the so-called fast action rods they make, there was always something a little funny in the feel of the cast, not smooth enough or something. For streamer fishing, I think you want something with some backbone. Sage and Loomis do have some fast, powerful rods for streamer type work, but you don't have to go that expensive.

I fall far short of knowing the lineups for these companies, but its a place to start.

Cortland - always found their rods to be nice and crisp at a nice price range.
Winston
TFO
Thomas and Thomas
Scott
St. Croix
Redington

And the big box names, like Cabelas, can have some decent stuff, but its hit or miss.

Remember, the warranty is a consideration as well.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 13:36


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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I've been an Orvis endorsed Montana fly fishing guide for over 15 years. I used to never buy Orvis rods even when I received them at steep pro discounts (back in the trident days). There newer rods have come a long way and the Helios and Zero G rods are now in the mix with the top sage rods.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 14:09


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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The Downingtown store has just marked down all of their remaining Superfine rods down 40%. I beleive they have 6 left.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 16:49


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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I think Orvis would have better rods if they would stop making multiple flex ratings with each line of high performance rods they come out with just stick with the K.I.S.S system like Loomis and Sage . Make rods lines with only one flex rating . I think that is probabally why their Superfine series has been so successful for them because they are all full flex.

I used to own a Orvis tip flex T-3 8 wt but I sold it because it didn't have the back bone I needed to cast streamers I could actually feel the rod buckle when I over loaded it .

I casted a 9' 5 wt Cortland Big Sky Rod against a 5 wt tip flex Helios and the Cortland outperformed the Helios casting both close and far . Great bang for your buck IMHO

http://www.cortlandline.com/products/default.asp?id=524

Posted on: 2010/12/21 18:58
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Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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I think Orvis would have better rods if they would stop making multiple flex ratings with each line of high performance rods they come out with just stick with the K.I.S.S system l


I highly disagree with you on that. I believe it is one of their best selling points. Say you want a cutting edge ultra light bad ass rod, but want a mid-flex slower rod? Harder to come by now a days.

I think the Hydros with a free BLA III is a good deal. I think the price difference between Hydros and Helios is completely silly. There simply is not $250 worth of component differences there. Can't be.

OP, you've been asking a lot of questions about a lot of higher end rods (which is absolutely perfectly fine). Have you gone out and thrown a few of them? Are you a pretty decent caster who is going to know what to look for and when you have that "ah-ha" moment? I mean, hell I certainly had much better rods than my casting talent for a long time, and there is certainly nothing wrong with "doing it right the first time" as that was my philosophy and I feel I have grown into my higher end rods. If you are a newer fisherman I think a Hydros Mid-Flex will be a real winner for you.

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I casted a 9' 5 wt Cortland Big Sky Rod against a 5 wt tip flex Helios and the Cortland outperformed the Helios casting both close and far . Great bang for your buck IMHO


Didn't look up the price on it but that is a pretty heavy rod.
(now looked it up appears to be about $250 and can't find much distribution to test it out. Throw in a Orvis BLA III reel for free and its in the same ball park as the Hydros).

Posted on: 2010/12/21 19:35


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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I think Orvis would have better rods if they would stop making multiple flex ratings with each line of high performance rods they come out with just stick with the K.I.S.S system l


I highly disagree with you on that. I believe it is one of their best selling points. Say you want a cutting edge ultra light bad ass rod, but want a mid-flex slower rod? Harder to come by now a days.



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I casted a 9' 5 wt Cortland Big Sky Rod against a 5 wt tip flex Helios and the Cortland outperformed the Helios casting both close and far . Great bang for your buck IMHO


Didn't look up the price on it but that is a pretty heavy rod.
(now looked it up appears to be about $250 and can't find much distribution to test it out. Throw in a Orvis BLA III reel for free and its in the same ball park as the Hydros).


Jdaddy I wasn't questioning their marketing just the castability of their rods . The Big Sky rod may not be the lightest rod out their but it is deffinitely a great fishing tool for the money .

Lightwieght rods are nice but it doesn't make them a better tool for the job.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 20:52
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Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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a friend of mine has the t-3 i think mid flex 5wt and he can blow streamers a mile with it , can't throw streamers with a 8wt t-3 ..come on now , there must be some kinda grudge against orvis with a silly statement like that

Posted on: 2010/12/21 21:39


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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Fred owns more orvis stuff than anyone I know.

I owned a 5wt mid flex tls power matrix, and it could not handle streamer duty.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 21:43


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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Jdaddy I wasn't questioning their marketing just the castability of their rods . The Big Sky rod may not be the lightest rod out their but it is deffinitely a great fishing tool for the money . Lightwieght rods are nice but it doesn't make them a better tool for the job.


Ya but "for the money" is out the window when you effectively make a Helios $300 with the reel offer. Now, does this merit a discussion of $230 fresh water reels, no that is not the question. However, if you break that damn Helios you basically wonder down to the the Orvis store and they all but give you a new one.

Light weight rods are better than nice. They are really nice. You are just used to chunking 1oz dumbells with a 10wt! LOL!

Without the BLA reel and without discussing value of same, I would say there are better rods out there for $500.

Troutslammer/Jay . . . why use a mid-flex for a streamer rod?

Posted on: 2010/12/21 22:43


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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I don't, but when I tried to use it in a pinch, it failed.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 22:54


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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I own a 9' 6wt Orvis Hydros and 9' 5wt sage XP. Want to know witch is a better rod?





The xp hands down.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 23:20


Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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troutslammer wrote:
a friend of mine has the t-3 i think mid flex 5wt and he can blow streamers a mile with it , can't throw streamers with a 8wt t-3 ..come on now , there must be some kinda grudge against orvis with a silly statement like that


Troutslammer I love Orvis gear just not most of there rods . Like Jay said I own lots of TWEED gear and 3 rods .The T-3 would buckle during big casts with wieghted flies . I want fast action rods that can handle more line in the air than I can . I love my superfine rod and still use it from time to time but I perfer fast action rods now so I don't use it that much anymore it's a full flex and casts very good in all situations except for far .

Jdaddy I think Orvis definitely has the best deals out there right now and also IMHO the best marketing . Your right.... you can't beat that deal . BtW I like that Winston you had at the stocktober fest but that noisy line has to go

Mrflyfish I also think the Sage XP is a great rod

Posted on: 2010/12/21 23:41
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Re: orvis rods, are they good?

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jdaddy - my answer to that question is why not ? i don't throw dumbell eyes and extremely heavily weighted streamers , no need for it , the streamers i throw are light when water temps warm up and they are chasing them i feel there is no advantage to go extremely deep with them , i also don't go out to the stream with the mind set i am gonna streamer fish all day , some water is nymph , some is streamer , some is dry and a mid flex foots the bill for me , which rods a person like is all opinion , hell i own a stick shift truck and my wife won't drive it unless she has to so ... another reason as u stated above why not get the hydros and a 250 reel free & if u don't like it send it on its way back to orvis !!!

Posted on: 2010/12/22 7:20



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