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Framed Pontoon Help...

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Ok guys a friend and I are looking to get a 2-3 man (probably can only afford a 2 man) framed pontoon boat to drift fish... We have been looking and have it narrowed to the following list below... we were wondering if anyone has any feedback/reviews pros/cons for any or all of these... they are all about the same size and cost were looking to see which are more durable better construction etc... we will probably not be using a trolling motor instead mostly rivers/streams... thanks for your feedback!

1) Scadden McKenzie Drifter 13'

2) OutCast FishCat 13'

3) Buck's Bags Head Hunter (I believe comes in 10')

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OK. Here ya go. Specs for each boat posted in separate posts.

Outcast FC 13' retails for $2250-2450

Bucks Bags
Headhunter model retails for $2195-2400
Double Haul model retails for $2800-ish

NFO / Scadden
McKenzie Drifter current show special $2000 (according to website)
Outlaw Avenger XX current show special $2400


The NFO boats are the lightest, carry the most weight.
PM me if you need any more help.

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calling Krayfish...


edit: how the...how did you reply before I posted? Quick little bugger.

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FishCat 13’
This affordably-priced two-person fishing boat has an aluminum frame and PVC pontoons. Its durable materials and design can withstand rugged river conditions. Remove the front frame module for a great one-person expedition raft.

Boat Specs

Inflated Size: 65" x 13'
Valve Type: 2-Summit
Weight: 170 lbs.
Load Capacity: 750 lbs.
Frame: 11-piece aluminum
Anchor System: Included
Motor Mount: Optional
Oar Type: 8” 2-pc
Tube Diameter: 20"
Fabric: 1000 PVC/1000 PVC
Material Weight: 32/32 oz/sq. yd.
AireCell Material: Vinyl
Seam Construction: Sewn
Warranty: 5

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Bucks Bags Double Haul (one step up from Headhunter model)

The pontoons on this craft are constructed from 22oz. PVC enamel coated polyester on top and a bulletproof 40oz material on the bottom where most abrasions occur. These 13 ½’ pontoons are incredibly tough! The Double Haul also comes fully equipped with a solid standing brace mounted to a unique molded platform. The brace is padded for comfort and has an effective stripping basket. Other standard features include 8’ aluminum breakdown oars, deluxe tackle pockets with tippet dispensers and insulated drink holders, two elevated padded seats for comfort and effective fishing position (rower’s seat is adjustable), large cargo decks fore and aft for loads of extra gear or overnighters and an adjustable rower’s platform for easy entry and exit as well as a place to stand for fishing while anchored. Also included is a solid anchor system with our patented Line-Lock system for easy anchor release and retrieval. The Double Haul has evolved into one of the most practical and maneuverable two-person crafts you will find. It is lightweight and portable, yet offers all of the necessary features to effectively fish your favorite lakes and streams. The needs of both the fisherman and oarsman have been carefully considered, creating a superior fishing craft. The Double Haul also easily breaks down for travel. 5 year warranty

You will find the Double Haul to be the most rugged and loaded two-person boat on the market!

Weight Capacity = 600lbs.
Inflated Size = 162" Long x 63" Wide
Shipping Size = 2 boxes, 48" x 24" x 10" each
Shipping Weight = 130lbs.

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Outlaw Avenger XX Specifications

Length: 12'
Width: 68"
Diameter: 18"
Weight: 85 lbs.
Weight Capacity: 1200 lbs.
Frame: Lazer-Lok XX
Frame Material: Alcoa 6061 t65
Pontoons: Bladderless
Oars: Alcoa 6061 T65
Oar Locks: Cobra-Lite
Seat: Padded
Anchor System: Thru the Frame
Whitewater Rating: Class V
Warranty: Lifetime

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McKenzie Drifter Specifications

Length: 13'
Width: 68"
Diameter: 18"
Weight: 82 lbs.
Weight Capacity: 800 lbs.
Frame: Lazer XX
Frame Material: Alcoa 6061 T65
Pontoons: Bladderless
Oars: Alcoa 6061 T65
Oar Locks: Bronze
Seat: Padded
Anchor System: Thru the Frame
Whitewater Rating: Class IV
Warranty: Lifetime

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If you want more Info.... I believe the outcast is made by Aire and they do white water rafts. DaveS has the AvengerXX and I've fished / rowed it several times. Nice boat, stable and I like the way the frame sits inside the bladders. Dealing with NFO is sometimes frustrating. Expect a delay when shipping. I've heard horror stories but have had pretty good luck with them. If you go with NFO, tell them you are part of 'the east coast gang'. Might help in getting order shipped quicker.

Where you going to use it?

Other things to consider if you haven't already.....

Transport. Big pick up or trailer will be very helpful, life vests, anchor, spare oarlock, spare oar, patch kit, duct tape, spare straps, zip ties, etc. You float the Lehigh or Yough and something breaks 3 miles into a 13 float, you will have serious problems / it's dangerous.

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Wow Kray!! Thanks. The specs we have looked at forever...the only toon I've fished (numerous times) was a creek company... I believe Ive got that one down.... I guess Im wondering about "personal experiences" guys have withe the different boats... Reading other forum posts the there have been countless remarks about the McKenzi drifter having frame issues and that the customer service being lets say subpar... Were wondering about longevity of the toons etc... Bottom line we cannot decide.... Your prices were spot on...we were leaning toward scadden but after what we read .... Thinking maybe fishcat....

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Where did you read about McKenzie frame issue? Unless it's an old model, the frames are pretty much all the same. I could connect my X5 frame to NickR's McKenzie outfitter XXX.

I'll give you examples of durability....... My boat had the lower end pontoons (w/ bladders). They got 6 years of pretty hard use and hundreds of river miles on them including a few miles of dragging. I'd guess they've got another 5-10 years left in them. Ratchet strap wore a hole through the cover and bladder. 10 minutes....patched and hasn't leaked since (4+ years)

Last year, wehad boats fly off the trailer at 70 mph. One went 30' in the air before doing cartwheels down Rt 17. The boat frame did break break but we had to search for damage on it. Any other boat would have exploded into pieces. Got the frame welded...good as new. One of the other boats got caught in straps and was dragged. Couple of patches, aquaseal and right back to fishing.

The boat design and durability makes up for any shortcomings on customer service. Dave will make it right if there's an issue.

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I bought a used cataraft, star frame, 14' NRS tubes. Came with a 10' worthington trailer. I paid 2k. Simply put...it's bad a$$. I mainly use it for smallie fishing on the susky, Mac and Shenandoah. I built a transom in which I can use my 2.5 hp 4 stroke outboard and go way up a river. One thing I would recommend is to be sure you get counter weighted oars. They will save your arms after a day of rowing. Tonight I started to install a 55 lb maxxum bow mount. It's going to be sweet to cover water instead of rowing and messing with the drag anchor all the time.

Regardless of what you purchase, you're going to get addicted to it. I prefer taking my raft out over my jet boat....

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Midge,

I also have a Worthington...great trailer. Too bad they went out of business. You are 100% right on getting addicted to whatever you buy.

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If you are going with a 2-man consider one of NFO's frameless models. I have the Excalibur and it is awesome for a 2 man drift on ANY river....


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Drews, Not trying to change your mind...just food for thought.
A 2 man toon I would suspect, needs 2 men to be efficient. Give a little thought to getting 2 solo boats. You can still float together and be able to hit your preferred area of water while your buddy hits his favorite spots. Also, if one can't make it, you can still hit the water when you want. Last year I picked up a Dave Scadden Assault at the Lancaster Fly Show for $1000. Tough as nails and nothing to assemble...just inflate. I really like this boat. I believe Scadden will be back this year at the show with boats to see.
Ok, good luck with whatever you choose and enjoy.

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Schiff,

Op was looking for 'framed'. The frameless are crazy light. I just don't like the shorter oars or knowing that the oarlocks are glued to the bladders. Framed is twice as heavy but solid and standing platform is great (if you have a need for it). I didn't think about simply getting 2 sinle man pontoons. Good catch and it would work out to about the same expense.

As for 2 guys needed for 2 man boat...not true. Take 1/2 the frame off and you just have a big 1 man boat.

Pros for 2 man boat:
Take turns rowing / fishing
Rower can slow boat allowing more casts at targets

Cons:
Heavier to row
You miss 50% of the fishing time (oar duty)
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Pros for 1 man boat:
Lighter
Allows angler to split up and both fish at the same time

Cons
PIA to drag around by yourself



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