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Dry Fly Leaders

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Does anyone use these? If so, what are the pros and cons?

Posted on: 2008/4/22 19:04


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These what?

Posted on: 2008/4/22 21:46


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I use the George Harvey dry fly leader. I tie my own . They just let you get a better drift. The leader does not totaly straighten out when you cast. It lands in many little S curves. It the time it take the leader to straighten you get a little longer drag free drift. The butt section is not has heavy as most leaders so turning over big flies may be a problem.

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/50formulas.pdf

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Try a furled leader, not a braided leader, and I believe you will never go back to anything else.

Posted on: 2008/4/23 10:25


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Thanks Bruno!

AugustWest, why a furled?

Posted on: 2008/4/23 10:39


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1. Turns over like a dream, long or short.

2. @ 5'9" then add any size and length tippet you want.

3. Easy to flip flies under rhodies etc.

4. Does well in wind

5. Pick up very stealthy

6. Last forever.

7. Not one size fits all - Different weaves for different line weights and types of fishing

8. Floats great

9. Easy to nymph with also

I tried one on a whim about 5 years ago and was so impressed that I have one on every line spool I have from 3 weight to 8. I fish a 3, a 4, a 5, a 6 and an 8 weight at various times and have one on each. My sinking lines do not, but that is another story.

Everyone I have turned on to them has done the same. Nuff said on my end.

Posted on: 2008/4/24 8:35


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August:

I used to be in your camp. I started tying my own. I like it better.

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forgive my ignorance please but what is a furled leader?

Posted on: 2008/5/2 15:13


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I used George Harvey leaders for years.
A few years ago, a guy posted a leader formula for dry flies on the FFP website, and I tried it. I like it better. It uses a 3 foot section of .019 Orvis Hy- flote for the butt section, and then smaller sections of Stren low vis monofilament for the rest of the leader.
A fishing buddy of mine also likes this leader - we've both been using it for a few years now with great results

Posted on: 2008/5/3 21:38


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Re Furled Leaders- I purchased two furled leaders a few years ago. I have one from blue sky, and one from feathercrafters. I have yet to use them yet!

Reason 1. I fish the Upper Delaware 2-3 times a year with a guide. We catch large fish on every trip on 6-7x. He claims there is not enough stretch (furled vs mono) and the break off rate on larger fish with smaller tippets is higher. Comments? I am talking 22-24" fish, large river, and a trip into your backing.

Reason 2. Nymphing. My nymph leader is a normal tapered leader cut in half (ie 4.5'). Then a long length of 3x, and maybe some 4x (5-6x in thinner crystal clear water as appropriate). The point of this leader, half of it is very supple 3-4x (Diarich Velvet). I like a long thin section because it sinks quickly, and is more natural in the drift. I have been afraid the furled leader would not perform as well, or sink as quickly for nymphing.

Overall everything I have heard is positive, and I guess I should just throw in the towel and rig one up and try it.

JG

Posted on: 2008/5/4 7:56


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Timmyt – A furled leader is made of either thread or mono strands twisted together and tapered. Most furled leaders range from about 4’ – 7’ with a 3-5’ mono or flouro tippet tied on the end to a loop or tippet ring. They work well to turn over flies.

Dryflyguy – I think I‘ve tried every kind of leader and leader formula known to man. If I fished only dry flies, the Harvey leader would be my choice for making a slack line cast and getting a good drift. I tried the Orvis Hy-float leaders and have used the butt with softer mono tapering to the tippet – it works well too.

Jerseygeorge - Right now I am experimenting with making my own furled leaders. What’s working well is a 41/2’ - 6’ furled butt. The length depends on the rod length and stream I am fishing. I make them with a steep taper and connect it to several sections of thinner soft mono like the Harvey leaders to get the S curves for dries. In addition, when nymphing, the thin soft mono creates slack on the cast, sinks the flies quickly, and reduces drag on the drift. I grease up the butt with floatant. The furled butt holds the floatant and floats quite well which keeps the heavier butt out water, allowing for easy mending and preventing the butt from dragging the flies on the drift. I nail knot some bright colored thread or hi-vis mono on each segment of the furled butt for visibility when nymphing.

My goal is to make a leader that works well for both dries and nymphs. It’s working well for me right now, but my quest continues.

Jersey - how was your trip to Central PA? catch any? Jersey - I don't seem to break off more fish with furled leaders, and I would never consider using 7 or even 6X for the beasts of the "D"!

Posted on: 2008/5/4 8:43


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I use the same leader for nymphing and dry fly fishing and streamer fishing. I just make adjustments at the tippet end for different situations.

But most of the leader, from the butt section down through the middle section, to where the tippet material starts, stays on there all season long.

That's the simple, lazy way of doing it. You avoid having to carry a leader wallet, with bunches of snarled up leaders, and trying to remember, or label, which is which. Forget all that. Just carry tippet spools, and make adjustments at the business end as you go.

Posted on: 2008/5/4 9:51


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I have a question , is furled is just another name for braided when using mono instead of dacron,spectra.dyneema or some other non plastic material and why doesn't it spray like braided leaders do? B.A.

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Braided leaders and furled leaders are two different things. Braided leader are braided - like the lanyard you made a summer camp that sits in your drawer. It's hollow in the middle and tends to pick up and spray water on the cast. Furled leaders use thread or mono strands that are twisted together and is not hollow. I doesn't pick up or spray water.

Posted on: 2008/5/5 6:54


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Thanks afisinado, now i know the differance.

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