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Re: Cleaning your gear

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gfen,

If you mean the brass, smaller donut shown that holds down the ratchet, that is the ratchet bearing. If you mean the pawl from underneath, you may need a new pawl spring. The pawl may also be worn. Or maybe it's out of alignment if you reversed the ratchet for RHW or LHW

Shakespeare sells parts, though I have never needed to buy from them. From conversations with others, you need to tell them you have an AK (Chinese) model or they wont sell you parts.

Fortunately, most of what they sell fits our 40-year old model.

Posted on: 2010/1/12 12:52


Re: Cleaning your gear

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Re: Cleaning your gear

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DGC,

To be honest, I'm not sure. Not exactly a reel mechanic and I've never looked inside a medalist until now. The symptom is that the reel slips, like it misses maybe 1 out of every 3 clicks, both on reeling and when the drag is going. The sound is very noticable, but you can tell by feel as well when your reeling. Kind of a catch, slip, catch, slip.

I had it out last night to look at it, but I haven't got much time to really look up any parts lists or anything. On the back of the spool, there is a spring loaded little metal post sticking out, that appears would interact with the ratchet.

I don't have a "good" metal post to compare against, but it looks to me as if mine is badly chipped and mishapen. It also spins freely. If you push it in, it tends to stick inside because the chipped part is catching on the lip. Pretty sure this is my problem. I can take a picture this evening if that would help.

Hadn't yet gotten around to lookin for parts, but maybe you can save me some time and tell me what I need to get?

Posted on: 2010/1/12 13:17


Re: Cleaning your gear

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This will likely tick off a few people.

onepfoot sells metal ratchets as replacements for the Delrin ratchet. However, the spool bushing since the mid 60's is intended to go with a Delrin plastic ratchet. The same is likely true of the pawl, though onepfoot sells one of those as well that is probably fine. I never thought it was a good idea to go with all metal on the pawl and ratchet since it seemed to me that would make them much noisier.

I think the cosmetic onepfoot products, such as the round line guard, are fine. But for the functional parts that wear, I think you should be cautious.

Posted on: 2010/1/12 13:18


Re: Cleaning your gear

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never tried the metal drag plates, but I also wondered about the wear of the other parts.
pcray, it might be possible to GENTLY file/grind the imperfection on the post. there is a spring inside that assy that keeps the post engaged on the drag plate, taking the cover off the front of the spool allows access to the post, allowing you to push it out. also, those drags don't like a lot of grease, just a very light coating.

Posted on: 2010/1/12 13:34


Re: Cleaning your gear

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the post on the spool makes the clicking when the line is being wound, when line is going out, the post engages the drag plate and the 2nd post, located under the plate, cause the click, usually quieter than the winding click. the plate is reversible on most(I've seen some early ones that weren't). make sure the plate is in the proper position for LH or RH winding

Posted on: 2010/1/12 13:48


Re: Cleaning your gear

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pcray123 wrote:

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I don't have a "good" metal post to compare against, but it looks to me as if mine is badly chipped and mishapen. It also spins freely. If you push it in, it tends to stick inside because the chipped part is catching on the lip. Pretty sure this is my problem. I can take a picture this evening if that would help


Medalist 1495 Spool showing spool bushing that engages ratchet

Spool showing spool bushing. This is worn a little, but still plenty functional. It has in/out spring action but does not really spin. You can buy just the replacement spool bushing from Shakespeare, though it may be just as well to just buy a new spool.

Medalist 1495 showing spool bushing and cover

Shown is the spool bushing in the upper left, the spool cover and mounting hardware beside. I have never taken apart a spool bushing, and I don't think you can buy it's component parts separately. The cover, spring, screws and cam are available separately. If the spool cover was ever taken off, or if the screws loosened, it is possible that the spool bushing is not seated properly.

If you take off that cover, don't lose that spring that slides on the cam.

I don't mean to take the thread too far astray, but there seem to be quite a few Medalist owners out there.

Posted on: 2010/1/12 14:41


Re: Cleaning your gear

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Thats it. I thought so.

Mine is kinda pyramid shaped, and I wasn't completely positive if it was supposed to be a cylinder shape as your picture clearly shows, but I thought that it could be. So mine isn't mishapen, its just mostly gone. The diameter at the bottom was about the same as that, but at the tip it is maybe 1/10 at best.

Thank you very much for the info. I'll price the parts, or maybe just go with a new spool.

Posted on: 2010/1/12 14:55


Re: Cleaning your gear

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lol. Mine was worse than I thought. That big L shaped chunk out of it can't be good. :)

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Re: Cleaning your gear

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I clean gear when it goes back to storage. As mentioned, I follow the recommendatiosn of Sage and use a furnature polish on my rods. I also put orange oil on the cork to keep it from drying out. I've been doing this for years and can't report any negative impact. Great analogy with the wine corks being dried out. Mild soapy water for the reel and I'm golden.

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Re: Cleaning your gear

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pcray, might be better off getting a spare spool instead of trying to order that part, the spool might be cheaper.

Posted on: 2010/1/12 19:55


Re: Cleaning your gear

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DGC wrote:
If you mean the brass, smaller donut shown that holds down the ratchet, that is the ratchet bearing. If you mean the pawl from underneath, you may need a new pawl spring. The pawl may also be worn. Or maybe it's out of alignment if you reversed the ratchet for RHW or LHW


No sir, to refer to your original photo, I mean the brown brake that the spring presses into the delrin washer.

I just assumed that it was so old that it'd dried out, and wasn't sure if there was a way to sort of refresh it with something.

Everything else seems to work, although a I had a hell of a time turning the reverse because it seemed so backwards to have less clicks on the outbound pull, but whatever. I also managed to lose the stupid spring under my desk at work.

Posted on: 2010/1/13 0:07


Re: Cleaning your gear

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gfen,

I've never seen one of those brown drag pads deteriorate. Give it a shot of WD-40 and it will look like the one in the picture immediately--or at least it should.

For anyone with a Medalist that has been used extensively, at some point you should remove the ratchet bearing and ratchet, remove the pawl, remove the pawl spring, and clean the spring in WD-40 and clean out the inside of the pawl. You would be surprised how gunky that spring gets inside that little pawl. Quite a few problems with binding or chafing on the one hand, or loose turning on the other, can be resolved by doing this.

It is a bit tricky to put the ratchet back on and keep the pawl in it's proper place, but just being careful about it does the trick. Keep in mind that the bevel in the pawl has to be in the proper position in relation to which side of the ratchet it contacts (which side depends on whether you set up for LH or RH wind).

Those springs do have a way of jumping around at just the wrong time. I usually slide it on a bodkin as soon as I take it out, and roll it in a little pool of WD-40 in a plastic coffee can lid, along with the little screws and the pawl.

pcray,

yes, that is a gnarly looking spool bushing

Posted on: 2010/1/13 8:54


Re: Cleaning your gear

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I'll wipe down my line when it stops floating or my reel if it gets gritty. Storage is normally on the floor of my bedroom or the back seat of my car

Posted on: 2010/1/13 14:29


Re: Cleaning your gear

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Thanks, I'll give that a shot.

Posted on: 2010/1/13 16:47
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