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Wingcase ??????

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How do you figure on how wide to make the wingcase on nymphs ? I current use the "poke & hope method".
Also, do you coat the feather used as the wingcase with a flexable head cement ?

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There is no real gauge or size chart, just, cut your wingcase to the diameter that looks best a for the hook size and material you are tying. When you get it right, cut all the strips the same diameter for that size fly and tie them all at once.

I usually use "Sally Hansen's Hard As Nails" (nail polish) for coating wingcases. They end up being hard and shiny, two qualities that I like for wingcases. Any head cement or nail polish should be okay though. Try tying some or your nymphs flashback style. They sometimes work better with a hint of flash.

Posted on: 2010/3/14 12:07


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The hook gap width is a good starting point and coating the fibers with cement helps keep the wingcase together when tying in, in addition to afish's good advice.

Posted on: 2010/3/14 12:30


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I spray most of my wingcase feathers with spray adhesive. Saves a lot of time instead of laquering each case.

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I just hit it with some head cement when I do the head. As for width i think like any other part of the fly it would depend on the original you are imitating.

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I use the hook gap as a guide for my wing cases. I do not coat my natural cases but I do use hard as nails for the ones I tie with thin skin

Posted on: 2010/3/14 13:39
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How is the width of the wingcase related to the gap of the hook?

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I generally use Pheasant tail fibers for the wingcases on nymphs, when I tie in a wingcase, and tie it in as wide as the hook gap. I was thinking more along the lines of a dubbed body nymph.

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Quote:

afishinado wrote:
How is the width of the wingcase related to the gap of the hook?


From the Fly Tier's Benchside Reference by Leeson and Schollmeyer:

"Cut a strip of wingcase material of the
desired width. The preferred width varies
with the specific pattern and the individual
tyer. But as a general rule, making the
wingcase as wide as the hook gap is a serviceable
guideline."

I guess this would only apply to standard gap hooks. It'd look goofy on a large gap hook. YMMV

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Yes the picture "Afish" posted is correct, left to right, not head to tail. I'm concerned about the width not lenth.

Posted on: 2010/3/14 15:53
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Okay HA, I do it by eye and it generally ends up being slightly wider than the thorax. It seems to me the gap of the hook is WAY bigger than width of the body. No matter, it comes down to "ya know it when you see it"..

Just as a rule of thumb on the length of the wing case, most MFs are 1/3 to 1/2 of the shook shank, but most SFs are 1/2 to 2/3's wing case a bit longer.

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So basically the width is an eyeball thing. Eventually my "plum bob eye's" will be accurate enough to use & cut the right size everytime ?

Posted on: 2010/3/14 16:14
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afish - I guess the width is affected by the material used as well. I use a slip of turkey tail sprayed with a fixative, or pre-coated with a drop of Flexament most of the time, and find that it "compresses" in width when tying it in. It's sort of adjustable in a way because of that quality.

For a fly that uses Thin Skin, like the pic you posted of Charlie Craven tying a Copper John, that hook gap rule of thumb goes out the window.

Besides, I'd trust your eyeballs before Leeson & Schollmeyer's any day of the week.

Posted on: 2010/3/14 17:24


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HA thank you for the Leeson & Sc........ referance.
As i interpet it, they suggest the gap as a good starting point of reference, but depends on pattern and tyer's appeal.
I think the gap would be too wide in most cases. Then again, when i use say a piece of turkey tail when i flip it over the top I lose the ends. (they turn in and under) So maybe i start with a piece as wide as the gap.
I never really paided much attention to the gap in comparison with the piece i use for the wingcase. Next time i will. Like i saided i have been just snipping a piece and hopeing it would work out.

Posted on: 2010/3/14 21:01
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If you tie a thick body/thorax you can start with an eyeballed hook gap and pick fibers off if it looks too thick but you can't add to it easily.

Posted on: 2010/3/14 22:13



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