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This is simply not true. Flyfisher's Paradise, TCO, Evening Hatch, and several shops in Northeast PA have local tyers tie at least some of their flies. While those shops I listed sell some imported flies, they all have local ties in their selections. For some of those shops, the majority of their flies are local ties. Stop in there on any given day, and odds are good you'll see employees tying flies for the bins. These shops will also happily tell you which flies are local ties, and which ones are imported. One individual comes to mind that supplies a lot of shops here in the Northeast - Stan Cooper. He's tied over 2 million flies in his lifetime. In fact, he's never had a job other than selling flies, and he's in his 80's.
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You're correct Ramcatt. Everybody want's US tied flies for foreign prices. I know when I had my shop I had people come in & always want a deal if they bought a dozen flies. They always asked how much are they if they bought a dozen. My answer..12 x's. Pretty simple I thought.
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run the numbers How many fly SKUs do they have 1000? 1500? what 10... 100 patterns by local tiers? still 90% imported
Posted on: 2012/3/26 9:12
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From page 1 of the Flyfisher's Paradise catalog:
"Flies - Tied for Americans by Americans. We are proud to say that the overwhelming majority of our trout flies are tied in the United States by skilled fly tyers who are also skilled fly fishermen. We think this makes them a bit better than the average-run fly mass produced overseas..." Just one exception to your math skills.
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i've never been to that shop or seen their catalog
I see no hard numbers... just a vauge statement IF that is true "majority of our trout flies" what does that mean for their entire stock of flies? What is a "trout fly"? just seasonal supply of flies for local hatches? do they call out which patterns are locally tied? if they have 20% of their fly stock from local tiers (highly unlikely) I would say they would be an extreme excption rather than the rule The "tied in the united states" comment is a bit odd... I'd rather fish a localy designed fly tied overseas... than a fly designed and tied accross the country
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Gotta agree with you on this. Actually, I agree with everything you've said in large part, but just wanted to point out that there is exceptions to what we've grown accustomed to as the "norm".
FFP is my favorite fly shop - it's had a lot of influence from George Harvey and Joe Humphreys. They are unusual, in a very good way. It's good to see that there is still some holdouts to the imports. They actually call out the imported stuff, and their imported stuff is a small minority of their selection - Humphrey's patterns (ironic), 9 Umpqua patterns, and hair bass bugs. The rest is all USA ties.
Posted on: 2012/3/26 10:11
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I can't speak for any other shop, but The Classic Fly Fisherman in Lansdale, PA sells only flies made in the USA by local tyers.
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Posted on: 2012/3/26 10:25
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No, no, no. That's wrong. The vast majority of the flies at Flyfishers Paradise are locally tied. I don't know the actual percentages of the flies they sell that are locally tied, and I doubt that Steve has ever counted. But as a frequent visitor to the shop, I'd estimate it at over 90%. They carry Gaines poppers, and some of the speciality bass and saltwater stuff they get from wholesalers. But those bins full of trout flies they get from local tiers or tie themselves. They make that effort to support local tiers, to keep the tradition alive, etc. And the quality is excellent. So, for people who think that is important, support it. Slate Run Tackle and Spruce Creek Outfitters are also good sources of locally tied flies. So, you can't generalize. In some fly shops, their bins are full of imported flies. In other shops, the majority are local tied. And some shops carry mostly imports, but have some local speciality patterns tied by local tiers. It varies from shop to shop.
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I tie 90 % of mine here at the shop and buy 10% that I don't have time to or they are just to basic. IE: Elk haier caddis, adams,etc...this year is 100 % by myself...My boxes hold over 4,000 flies......
Posted on: 2012/3/26 14:16
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Flyfishers Paradise flies are definitely mostly tied by the people that actually work at the fly shop. Steve, the owner, ties 1000s of flies a year. The other people that work there also help fill the bins. The only flies they buy from whole sellers are the bigger poppers and big warm water streamers. Ramcatt, you shouldn't question someone, when they have been to the fly shop many times, and you have never been there.
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the store near me is orvis and many of the boxes of flies (trout) are from taiwan. they are quality flies and there isn't much wrong with them, save the price. $1.49 is a lot to pay for a size 8 bugger. thats 20 to 30 cents more than the other shops i have visited.
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Frequent tyer I was stating that flies made overseas have a tendency to fall apart because they are tied without any reguard for the person buying the fly. Most of the people tying them have never seen or fished with a fly rod. The flies are thrown together as fast as they can be. You can't tell me that a foreign made sweatshop fly will stand up to many fish. They don't whip finish their flies, they use maybe one half hitch and no head cement. The thread unravels and the fly falls apart. This is why they charge $2.00 a dozen for them, they are cheap products. All I am saying is you get what you pay for. Would you buy a fly rod from china made in a sweat shop? No your gear would have to be quality so why stop at the rod, reel, line and tippet. I personally want a fly on that I know will hold up if I ever get that fish of a lifetime.
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gaines poppers are made right here in gaines township, tioga county. pa..no overseas crap there..
Posted on: 2012/3/27 6:23
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I get mine from a sweat shop....My tying rooms on the second floor with no air conditioning and 1 window!
Posted on: 2012/3/27 7:29
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