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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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That looks like the pusher - although with the upright "wings" and white color it looks more like something you might use during the drake hatch. That fly also looks like it would float, in which case those wings aren't going to push any water (which is their ultimate purpose). For that particular tie, I don't see those upright wings doing much more than twisting the hell out of your leader. The wings should be tied out to the side, and there should be two pairs of wings (one pair at the front and one at the back). Black is by far the best color. I would guess that the pusher fly in the picture is probably not very effective.

The pusher is most effective as a wet fly, as the wings don't undulate properly unless the fly is submerged. I would recommend using a heavy wire hook such as TMC 7999. Its hard to find really good feathers for tying those flies. Mallard flank doesn't cut it as it won't cause enough of a disturbance. Your best bet is to track down stiff shoulder feathers from a goose or turkey. Most fly shops don't carry acceptable feathers for tying an effective pusher fly. Make sure you use several hackle with long stiff fibers, and wrap them so that the concave part of the hackle faces forwards. You want the hackle to push water also.

Posted on: 2010/12/19 10:18


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This fly is talked about a bit in Harvey's first book.

He tied it big - size 4 up to 2/0 hooks
The wings use goose or duck breast feathers.
The body is tied cigar shaped with dubbing, and has a palmered hackle. And a short tail at the hook bend
Since it's a night fly, he stated that color isn't really important. But he did say that he was partial to darker materiels

Posted on: 2010/12/19 11:32


Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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That looks like the pusher - although with the upright "wings" and white color it looks more like something you might use during the drake hatch. That fly also looks like it would float, in which case those wings aren't going to push any water (which is their ultimate purpose). For that particular tie, I don't see those upright wings doing much more than twisting the hell out of your leader. The wings should be tied out to the side, and there should be two pairs of wings (one pair at the front and one at the back). Black is by far the best color. I would guess that the pusher fly in the picture is probably not very effective.



1 -I don't see any white in the pic. body looks like chartreuse

2 -the way the hackle is tied behind the wing is so it lays flush in the surface

3 the wings are tied perfect for a waking fly, look up waking flies for steel head. I have used this style for years on trout, bass, steel head. etc.

4 -if you look at the base of the wing the thread is wrapped around the base of each wing giving it a more rigid stance so the mallard in this case will make a disturbance

5 -might not be an exact copy of his fly, but i bet it will work on browns at night.

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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Your best bet is to track down stiff shoulder feathers from a goose or turkey. Most fly shops don't carry acceptable feathers for tying an effective pusher fly. Make sure you use several hackle with long stiff fibers, and wrap them so that the concave part of the hackle faces forwards. You want the hackle to push water also.



a few do !

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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Thanks again guys, I'm just starting to get into Harvey and his works, I wanna pick up a couple of his books. I did find a cool link on Joe humpreys site, he has some fireside chats about Harvey and Ed Shenk.Joe's chats I thought that was really cool.
And a audio interview with Harvey down at the bottom of this links pagehttp://www.joehumphreysflyfishing.com/harvey.htm

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The link I pulled the images from had that listed as a Harvey tied pusher from "a few years ago at the Symposium." IIRC, the thread was dated 2003, so its possible that's right.

But, the images themselves were broken links. I had to change the URL a bit to get them, so its possible in the intervening 6 years a software change could've broken the links to other image names.

I report, you decide.

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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sandfly wrote:
a few do !


Decorum sez he won't do it, but I'm willing to bet there's a fly shop run by some old coot who appears to be filled with obscure knowledge, old style materials, and the wherewithal to use 'em.

I wouldn't be surprised if you contacted the guy at Big Meadows he'd get you what you needed and tell you how to use it.

(whistles innocently)

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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3 the wings are tied perfect for a waking fly, look up waking flies for steel head. I have used this style for years on trout, bass, steel head. etc.


I'm very adamant that the wing on the top is no good for a pusher fly. When the feather recoils it will push water toward the surface, and a trout won't feel those pressure changes unless it is above the fly. The advantage gained from the recoiling action of the feathers is going to be seriously reduced in this instance. Tying the feathers at the side will significantly increase the area over which the action of the fly is detectable to trout using the lateral line.

I also believe that waking flies are significantly different than the pusher fly. Waking flies do work great at night (the bomber is a good example), but any heavily hackled fly will cause a wake. The key to the pusher fly is the undulation of the feathers, which introduces a complex secondary motion that the triggers trout to strike as they get close to the fly. My experience is that this action is critical whenever you're fishing flat water due to the fact that secondary motion makes the fly seem alive and wiggling. In faster water, deer hair is more effective at generating a wake, and secondary motion is not usually critical.

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4 -if you look at the base of the wing the thread is wrapped around the base of each wing giving it a more rigid stance so the mallard in this case will make a disturbance


The problem with the mallard flank feathers are that they don't "catch" water very effectively. The ends are sort of wispy, which reduces the energy of the shocks that result when you twitch the fly. I've never had good results with mallard. You need to have something with stiffer fibers to make a really nice action in the water.

Don't get me wrong, I believe you can catch fish on a fly like the one shown. However, you'll catch a lot more if you use the proper design.

There are two pictures of pushers in Harvey's book "Memories, patterns and Tactics" and one picture in Paul Weamer's book on the Upper Delaware. I would refer to those images if you want to get the full benefit from this pattern.

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Here yuh go....tied by the master.

Source:
George Harvey, Memories, Patterns, and Tactics.
By D. Shields p54

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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Now that there is a dry fly POP-r!!!! I don't think he meant the pusher flies to be fished any way other than dry flies but i could be wrong but then there's Joe. The pic fishi posted almost looks like a June bug to me. Thanks for putting that up there fishidiot , really cool. At night that would create quit a ruckus............on top. lol

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I don't think he meant the pusher flies to be fished any way other than dry flies but i could be wrong lol


Jim Bashline relates a story about this in his book on night fishing, which has an entire chapter on George Harvey. According to Bashline, George Harvey told him that 90% of his trout caught on the pusher were sub-surface. I'm actually surprised that people think of the pusher as a dry fly when wet flies tend to be so effective at night.

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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Hey thanks Fish, Now all I have to do is locate some of his books and get some reading done. I really have nothing else to do tye and read. Well no fishing until chistmas break at least. Then a polar bear run to Spring to do alittle casting. Might have to tye acouple up for this summer on spring creek.

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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I sure don't see 4 wings on them, and they look like guinea.

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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SandFly...........In the picture fishidiot posted of the fly (thanks again fishi) can you see a big old brown trout thinking that is a June Bug buzzing across the surface at night. At the cabin in the spring when you get up in the morning those big juicy beetles are everywhere and they got there sometime over night. I never did much fly fishing at night.

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Re: George Harvey's "Pusher" fly pattern

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I think I'm gonna tye the pusher on a Mustad r52s size 8 & 10. Hell I got a bunch of partridge size 4 streamers hooks laying around I might have to whip up some that size too . I wanna big target for the fish to home in on.

Posted on: 2010/12/20 9:49
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