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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Agreed gun, I tied up 10 tungsten buggers last night for the potential flood. LOL most are black or pearl in color

Posted on: 2013/4/11 14:29
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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Where is all your small stuff? Looks like all those nymphs are 14 or bigger.

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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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I feel your ribbing is way to big for those nymphs in the second row from the right. But what the heck do I know, you are the professional tyer.

Posted on: 2013/4/11 21:35
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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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I feel your ribbing is way to big for those nymphs in the second row from the right. But what the heck do I know, you are the professional tyer.


Yes, and if you fish them as a wet fly DO NOT add weight or use a floating line. Mine eyes have been opened.

Posted on: 2013/4/12 0:14


Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Good luck with those on the j lol...maybe they match the "proportions" of the "abundant" amount of aquatic insects found in the little conemaugh. Seeing the work of a "professional" tyer always makes me so much more confident in my skills lol.

Posted on: 2013/4/12 15:14


Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Mike.
I will be honest. Here is some suggestions, things I would change.
Like SBecker pointed, ribbing is way too big for those nymphs in second row. Tails made of Hare's mask and pheasant are too thick and too long.
Nymphs with beads are so so, but the ones without are out of proportions. Thread heads made with whip finisher are too big and too long. Thorax in some nymphs are too thick and wingcase is crooked.
One more thing. After you tie your tail, try to make butt section as slim as possible, then build your nymph body slightly like cigar shape.
Those nymphs you have may be working on stocked fish, but I doubt you are going to be able to fool wild ones.
Not trying to be wise ass. Just trying to help.

Posted on: 2013/4/12 22:31


Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Mike they will catch fish . Just remember fish don't own rulers or micrometers and they can't count tails or measure abdomens as long as you have good clearance on the hook gap your golden. Presentation is key

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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Mike they will catch fish . Just remember fish don't own rulers or micrometers and they can't count tails or measure abdomens as long as you have good clearance on the hook gap your golden. Presentation is key


Love when you talk about measurement. Seems so appropriate coming from you that size does not matter.

Also, I agree with Fredrick in regards that they will catch fish. However, if you want to be a better tyer, you really need to work on your proportions. Not all fish are dumb and not all buyers will be unknowledgeable or new fly fishermen that do not know what a good tie looks like. If they were just for yourself I couldn't care less, but other people are purchasing these. Just some helpful advice.

Posted on: 2013/4/13 0:04

Edited by SBecker on 2013/4/13 1:00:54
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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Mike they will catch fish . Just remember fish don't own rulers or micrometers and they can't count tails or measure abdomens as long as you have good clearance on the hook gap your golden. Presentation is key


Love when you talk about measurement. Seems so appropriate coming from you that size does not matter.


Touche Goliath

Posted on: 2013/4/13 0:15
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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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I agree about the tails being too long on the PT looking nymphs. At the very least, the end result is you are fishing a much bigger fly than what would typically be represented by a given hook size. Same effect with the overly dense tails on the other flies. Overall, you need to work on your proportions.

Posted on: 2013/4/13 9:08


Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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If you tied that many in 1 night, you need to tie professionally. I do 4-5 in an hour and I'm giving myself hi 5's.

If you like long tails, and the fish you catch do too, rock on. There are text book proportions tiers have been using for the last 75-100 yrs that most people follow, but too each is own. What do I know, I'm not a fish.

Posted on: 2013/4/15 1:27


Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Long tail fibers are ok as long as they are real supple. The extra movement of extra supple tail fibers seems to make up for them being too long within reason.

Posted on: 2013/4/15 5:50


Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Thanks for the constructive input. I typically do not tie the flies for customers as i do my own. I take more time on theirs and follow propotions more. These are more my own personal preferences as I said.

Most of my stuff I would not sell to a guy to be honest. In my experience it is not that crucial, but then again I am not fishing areas with an abundant amount of wild trout. I will tie some up taking the advice of you guys and do a comparison and see if it makes that much of a difference.

I do sometimes wish I had not mentioned that i do get income from tying flies, might not face as much BS on here ;)

I did have a guy slam them on the green vinyl rib hares ear and order 30 more, but this again was not an area with a large amount of wild trout.

Thanks again for constructive criticism

Posted on: 2013/4/15 16:32
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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Remember I have seen flies that you have tied and sold personally. They look just like the ones you posted. I quickly picked out all of your ties compared to ones that were purchased else ware. They were confirmed by the buyer.

I am not trying to be a jerk to you. Just do not say you tie better for your customers, because it is not true. You are 100% right about not mentioning that you sell your flies. There are professional tiers and guides out there that tie amazing looking flies for the same price as you. They just do not promote themselves on forums to make a buck. All through word of mouth. I will toot a horn for one of them. Mike Heck

Posted on: 2013/4/15 16:45

Edited by SBecker on 2013/4/15 17:38:04
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Re: Finally got one side of the nymph box finished

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Most of my stuff I would not sell to a guy to be honest. In my experience it is not that crucial, but then again I am not fishing areas with an abundant amount of wild trout. I will tie some up taking the advice of you guys and do a comparison and see if it makes that much of a difference.


Mike, That is not really the point. If you tie to different standard for yourself vs. your customers you will limit your own development as a tyer and risk developing bad habbits that will creep into your professional work. There is a school of thought that says the fish should be your ultimate critic. Many guys that tie for themselves belive this and do just fine with their flys, but I've never met one that would be comfortable selling those flys regradless of how well thay work. On the other hand, just about every pro tyer I have met belives that they must be their own worst critic. This belief is very deeply held, and they will cut ANY mistakes off the hook not because it won't catch fish, but because trying again gives them the opportunity to improve. Dropping a mistake into your fly box is passing up an opportunity to become a better tyer.
If you ever want to chat about this, or get togethet to tie/fish shoot me a PM.
Mike.

Posted on: 2013/4/15 22:25
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