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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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No, honestly guys. Utah kindly taught me that gem. Not sure If he developed it himself, but it is genius. Thanks johnny for sharing it with me to share it with everyone else.

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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Oh, and we are friends lol.

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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That technique may be new to you, but it isn't new. It has been around for years - ever since beadheads became popular - well, at least that is where I saw it first, probably been around longer than that. I certainly don't claim it, as I saw it during a demo more than 15 years ago to finish the thorax behind the bead.
What is old is new again...

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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That technique may be new to you, but it isn't new. It has been around for years - ever since beadheads became popular - well, at least that is where I saw it first, probably been around longer than that. I certainly don't claim it, as I saw it during a demo more than 15 years ago to finish the thorax behind the bead.
What is old is new again...


Yes, I have also seen it used on beadheads before. I never thought it was worth the trouble because the fish is already ignoring the fact that the nymph has his head stuck in a brass ball with a metal loop sticking out of it connected to a knot of mono. On non-beaded flys, I just expect them to have a bit of a thread head. I also have to wonder about the durability of a fly tied with a dubbing whip since the thread will not cinch down as tightly and you can't wax or cement the head. I'm not trying to be critical of Gaeron. The video shows some good solid techniques. I'm just not sure that this particular technique is a good one to use routinely.

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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I did not plan to use this technique, because I doubt it really mattered to the fish. The point you raise FFj about the knot not fully clinching down is a good one, and adds to the reason not to use it. imo

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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Gentlemen. I do know Gaeron, and i was kidding with with him. In no way do i claim to have come up with that technique.

I have done it on bead head flies. The true trick to the knot holding, is to dub extremely sparse and tight. When done this way it will hold for a lot of fish.... And I do agree that the fish dont care.

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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Oh, and we are friends lol.


you think

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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you think


Lol, he is my friend. Whether or not I am his friend, well, that's when it gets iffy.

Posted on: 2011/11/25 9:45


Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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gaeron, I notice your quick-clip has a small metal rod coming out of the front. Did you buy it like that, or did you make it?

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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gaeron, I notice your quick-clip has a small metal rod coming out of the front. Did you buy it like that, or did you make it?


Zen, I don't quite know what you mean?

Posted on: 2011/11/25 12:46


Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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gaeron, I notice your quick-clip has a small metal rod coming out of the front. Did you buy it like that, or did you make it?



Zen - Wiss snips don't come with a bodkin sticking out the front. Some guys here just added it. There WAS a version that did come with the bodkin attached...

The original version was sold by A.K. Best back in the day. Here's an original - these actually belonged to A.K.Best. He gave them to me over a decade ago. I used them until they got dull, and then tried to replace the tips - didn't work well after I replaced them, as the screws wouldn't tighten enough to align the shears. I broke the finger loop at some point, and replaced it with a piece of brass rod.

A.K. likes to tie with his S&M bobbin held in his fingertips for thread control. This allows him to hold the bulky snips in that hand also. Using a regular style bobbin with those snips in your hand is, well, a handful.

The bodkin built in to the snips comes in handy for hand whip finishing (inserted in the loop as you draw the knot tight). It's personal preference, but there's much better options for scissors and snips available now, IMO.

H.A.

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Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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H.A. - Thank you. The bodkin was what I was referring to. I'm still learning all the lingo. I have the Wiss snips, and thought that the bodkin built in looked handy for the hand whip finish.

Posted on: 2011/11/25 18:58


Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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It also comes in handy for many other things.

Posted on: 2011/11/25 19:21


Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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Such as...Picking out dubbing, applying head cement, cleaning out eyes, removing hooks from the vice if they are wet (etc.), whip finishing, punch holes through turkey tails to measure out wingcases/thorax cases, flatten out material, etc. Not trying to sell it to anyone, but I love the wiss thread snips with the bodkin, sharp and cheap :)

Posted on: 2011/11/25 19:32


Re: Action Caddis/Performing a Dubbing Whip-Finish

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Here's an original - these actually belonged to A.K.Best. He gave them to me over a decade ago.


Bragging.

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I used them until they got dull, and then tried to replace the tips - didn't work well after I replaced them, as the screws wouldn't tighten enough to align the shears.

H.A.


Damn Ed, just use some naval jelly to get the rust off and you are good to go!

Posted on: 2011/11/25 19:50



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