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Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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englishprof wrote:
Okay, I'll say it. Those browns have virtually no predators and could probably use a few for the long term health of the fishery. Over the last five years, I think I've seen four or five herons and one mink. That poor bass poses absolutley no threat to those trout. I guess I'm some sort of a hypocrte, because, if they allowed any kind of harvest, I still wouldn't keep any.


If you've seen four or five, there's probably ten times that many that frequent the stream. To say that herons are "virtually no predators" is a bit of a misnomer for the fish eaters that they are.. And if you've seen one mink, then there are likely more that you don't see and if there's one think I remember from my Thornton Burgess books I read as a kid is that Billy the Mink likes trout.

The obvious predator in a brown trout stream is....the brown trout..

So I wouldn't say that the stream is devoid of predators; however, I believe you are correct that this little bass won't put much of a hurtin' on the brownies. Heck, fisherpeople probably kill more biomass (by overplaying or deep hooking) than this little guy will ever eat.

Posted on: 2013/7/15 21:45


Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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geebee wrote:
i would have chucked on the bank, me.


I'm glad you didn't catch it then. That's seriously one of the nicest, prettiest, and unique fish I've seen posted on here in a long while. Had I caught it, that fish would probably make my top 10 most memorable fish I've caught, given where it came from.

I don't fish Valley enough to know for sure, but do the C&R regs apply to Trout only or is it no keep for all species as well due to the chemical issues? If it's the latter, banking a Bass would be illegal.

Posted on: 2013/7/15 22:05


Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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geebee wrote:
i would have chucked on the bank, me.


I'm glad you didn't catch it then. That's seriously one of the nicest, prettiest, and unique fish I've seen posted on here in a long while. Had I caught it, that fish would probably make my top 10 most memorable fish I've caught, given where it came from.



i wouldn't have done it happily - its just what they tell you to do in Maine & NH....as far i know the problem is not just a 'few' predators - yes they thin the fingerlings and you get a few years of trophy trout as a result, but once they start breeding and the trophies die off you're left with much reduced biomass.

they've cut landlock salmon numbers in some coldwater rivers by 50%, and if they can survive and thrive in northern Maine then i'd think they are a threat to a flatland spring creek...


Posted on: 2013/7/16 7:52


Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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There have been random BASS in VC for as long as I can remember. They have very little impact on the trout which is apparent because VC has well above biomass required to make it a Class A. The biggest threats to Valley are fishing pressure and development.

Posted on: 2013/7/16 8:48
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Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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nice catch! i have caught bass in valley,but only downstream of the falls,near the skuke

Posted on: 2013/7/16 9:06


Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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I would have been bummed it wasn't a big brown

Posted on: 2013/7/16 10:29


Re: Valley Creek Surprise 7-14-13

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Nick is right. I've caught LM, SM, and rock bass while throwing streamers at Valley. They've been there as long as I can remember. Tilt saw mw land a nice rock bass there once.

Posted on: 2013/7/16 10:30



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