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Riparian Zones

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Riparian zones should be left alone. Not groomed or trimmed. Let mother nature determine the Rip zone. A stream improvement project should remain IN the stream. Maybe planting some stuff to hold up an eroding bank but not groomed or trimmed. IMHO Osprey.

Posted on: 2013/3/13 7:38


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I agree.

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Agreed 100 Percent... the only evidence I leave of my presence is foot prints.

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Except in the case of invasives - we have huge stands of knotweed that are turning our stream banks into a monoculture real quick. If you leave it go, it will replace all the native vegetation.

Posted on: 2013/3/13 19:18


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That Japenese Knotweed is bad stuff. Just go to the West Branch of the Delaware if you wanna get mad at some weeds.

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I have worked with DCNR on it and you cannot get rid of it, we burned, poisened, dug up and still came back next season. unless you get every little root spore it will come back.

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Riparian vegetation is very important. And this has been known for many years.

But how to accomplish it? Landowners, both private and public, like mowed grass along the streams.

How do you convince them to stop mowing, and allow trees and shrubs to grow in a wide buffer along the stream?

Posted on: 2013/3/14 8:38


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So I guess that the thousands of trees planted by Perkiomen valley T. U. have all been for nought? Come on now, the temperatures are down all the way to Green Lane Reservior and would not be if we only worked in stream. Most of what is wrong with PA streams is directly attributable to Agriculture and logging, therefore plant lots of trees. But they must be natives. No weepin chinese willows, please!

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If it's growing there then it's supposed too......leave it alone....plant something good for the water.

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If it's invasive remove it!

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Landowners, both private and public, like mowed grass along the streams.

How do you convince them to stop mowing, and allow trees and shrubs to grow in a wide buffer along the stream?


I've wrestled with that question for years. The best answer I've come up with is "induce them to eat peyote".

With the farmers, the question is somewhat different. I think they deserve to be compensated in accordance with "takings" policy, as part of a comprehensive national soil conservation program. That most "unsexy" of issues, according to the sexless drone pundit class.

A massive rural soil conservation effort could have made for part of a great low-tech Federal "stimulus" program, providing not only jobs but an investment that reaps tangible long-term benefits. But Republicans have shot down or shriveled up soil conservation bills for years, and the Dems blew the only chance they had for massive infrastructure investment in environmental quality projects by committing all of their political capital and a large chunk of future government revenues to a massive "universal health care" insurance policy instead (notwithstanding multiple objections from small business owners and uh the majority of the customer base across the political spectrum). And we know how that's worked out so far. But I digress.

Posted on: 2013/3/24 5:17

Edited by barbless on 2013/3/24 5:36:46
Edited by barbless on 2013/3/24 5:42:12


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Riparian zones should be left alone. Not groomed or trimmed. Let mother nature determine the Rip zone. A stream improvement project should remain IN the stream. Maybe planting some stuff to hold up an eroding bank but not groomed or trimmed. IMHO Osprey.


So why one and not the other? If mother nature has determined what's appropriate, or not, for the stream bank, then why can't mother nature deem what's appropriate for the actual stream?


Posted on: 2013/3/24 10:34


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barbless wrote:
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Landowners, both private and public, like mowed grass along the streams.

How do you convince them to stop mowing, and allow trees and shrubs to grow in a wide buffer along the stream?


I've wrestled with that question for years. The best answer I've come up with is "induce them to eat peyote".


We haven't tried this yet. But we've tried nearly everything else.

The PFBC is still mowing many areas along Spring Creek. And not just at the Fishermans Paradise no wading zone, but other places along the creek.

We've tried contacting local PFBC people and we've appealed right to top, without success.

I've seen mowing to the water's edge on other PFBC properties also, around the state.


Posted on: 2013/3/24 11:44


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troutbert wrote:
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barbless wrote:
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Landowners, both private and public, like mowed grass along the streams.

How do you convince them to stop mowing, and allow trees and shrubs to grow in a wide buffer along the stream?


I've wrestled with that question for years. The best answer I've come up with is "induce them to eat peyote".


We haven't tried this yet. But we've tried nearly everything else.

The PFBC is still mowing many areas along Spring Creek. And not just at the Fishermans Paradise no wading zone, but other places along the creek.

We've tried contacting local PFBC people and we've appealed right to top, without success.

I've seen mowing to the water's edge on other PFBC properties also, around the state.

Now that's really crazy,if anyone should know better it sure should be the PFBC.

Posted on: 2013/3/24 18:57


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troutbert wrote:
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barbless wrote:
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Landowners, both private and public, like mowed grass along the streams.

How do you convince them to stop mowing, and allow trees and shrubs to grow in a wide buffer along the stream?


I've wrestled with that question for years. The best answer I've come up with is "induce them to eat peyote".


We haven't tried this yet. But we've tried nearly everything else.

The PFBC is still mowing many areas along Spring Creek. And not just at the Fishermans Paradise no wading zone, but other places along the creek.

We've tried contacting local PFBC people and we've appealed right to top, without success.

I've seen mowing to the water's edge on other PFBC properties also, around the state.

Now that's really crazy,if anyone should know better it sure should be the PFBC.


The problem isn't that they should know better, they do know better yet they still wreck habitat by mowing right down to the water line. And when you ask them why you get some really lame answers.

Posted on: 2013/3/25 15:30



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