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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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That said, I do agree that the prohibition on entering parks wouldn't hold up under court scrutiny. The government does not own the land. We the people do. We give the government permission to manage it. But in the absence of government, it's still our land.


I think that it would hold up in court. Even if you had the paflyfish legal eagles on your team.

It's pretty common for agencies to close certain areas of public lands at certain times. Would the courts back them up? I think they would.

Posted on: 2013/10/3 18:22


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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In the absence of governments, I get it. Trash cans don't get emptied. Bathrooms don't get cleaned.

Well, I already take out any trash I find in the creek, but I donno about starting to clean-up the deer poop I find.

They'll need to pitch-in and begin to clean up after themselves.

Posted on: 2013/10/3 18:27


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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From the Pittsburgh Tribune Review:

"The federal government shutdown is impacting fishing. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers lakes, including Loyalhanna, Shenango, Crooked Creek and others, are closed and their boat ramps are off limits."

I don't own a boat or fish these lakes. Is there some government employee that is normally stationed at the ramps to help you put your boat in? Maybe they park your truck/trailer for you after you get the boat in the water? Help you get it out? What about a shutdown should prevent someone from fishing?!?! The absurdity of this situation really hits home when you read stuff like this is happening.


Posted on: 2013/10/4 9:11
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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Yes, it is absurd for this to be closed to the public... what I find even more absurd is for it to be closed off to tour guides, fishing guides, hunting guides etc... who gave money to the state and paid for National park permits to work there and make a living. A park permit to guide in Valley Forge is through the roof. What are they telling these people? Do they think guides are just there for a hobby? Americans should be outraged. NICE of them to close the parks down at the most beautiful time of the year.

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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The better fishing is outside (above) the national park, so plenty of it remains open.

Otherwise watch for the ticks, they are pretty bad down there.

Posted on: 2013/10/4 16:09


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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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They can find 2 rangers to park by a car and wait for a jogger. They couldn't find a couple rangers to park by entrances and warn people though?

Posted on: 2013/10/7 23:41


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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Pigs. I hope that guy and his lawyer waffle them in court, what a couple of losers, waiting by a guys car while he jogs to give him a ticket. Good thing those guys took care of that, sounds like it could have been really dangerous with that guy jogging around...totally un called for

Posted on: 2013/10/8 11:34


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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We have been told that the rangers are just making sure that everyone is safe.............:)

Posted on: 2013/10/8 13:14


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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Yo. The Rangers are just doing what they're told to do. Reserve the hate for the government. That's how I role.

Posted on: 2013/10/8 13:50


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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timmyt wrote:
I hope that guy and his lawyer waffle them in court, what a couple of losers, waiting by a guys car while he jogs to give him a ticket.


Who hires a lawyer to fight a $100 ticket. Or does this guy frequently find trouble and needs to keep a lawyer on retainer.

Posted on: 2013/10/8 15:57


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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Yo. The Rangers are just doing what they're told to do.

+1

Posted on: 2013/10/8 17:45


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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I wonder if the gas, oil and mineral industries are prevented from accessing their lease areas on BLM or national forest land. Willing to bet a beer they're not.

Posted on: 2013/10/8 17:55


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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Rangers govt issue sunglasses are polarized and can't see what they're told not to

Posted on: 2013/10/8 20:20


Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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TV news today says 20 folks now cited in VFNP. Sounds like even being in the water in the Park would be courting a ticket. The good news is that the trouts will be getting a good rest.

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