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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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I think the NPS is trying to actually look out for your safety and the security of the grounds and artifacts.
If they're working with a skeleton crew, they don't have the normal resources to ensure either. It's not their fault.

LMFAO


Double LMFAO

Posted on: 2013/10/3 11:52
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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Now that you're missing your both cheeks of ass, Can you explain how it's funny?

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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I think the NPS is trying to actually look out for your safety and the security of the grounds and artifacts.

If they're working with a skeleton crew, they don't have the normal resources to ensure either. It's not their fault.


LMFAO


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Triple LMFAO cause without government you can't walk in the woods or fish a creek .... for your own safety of course.

Posted on: 2013/10/3 12:05
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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I find the statement that the NPS is looking out for my safety to be patently absurd. I am not safe walking through VFNP to get to the creek unless some ranger is on duty somewhere within the perimeter?

Posted on: 2013/10/3 12:16
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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You may or may not be safe, I don't know. What they're saying is they can not guarantee that there will be any way to respond to any emergency.
The place is closed. The people who run it, whether you own it or not, won't allow you in. What's so hard to understand?
Whether you like the government or not doesn't determine the laws you have to follow.

Posted on: 2013/10/3 12:31
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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You may or may not be safe, I don't know. What they're saying is they can not guarantee that there will be any way to respond to any emergency.
The place is closed. The people who run it, whether you own it or not, won't allow you in. What's so hard to understand?

I was joking but u truly feel that without government you can't walk in the woods or fish a creek .... for your own safety of course.





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Whether you like the government or not doesn't determine the laws you have to follow.

O'rly? The only laws that matter are natural laws.

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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"I was joking but u truly feel that without government you can't walk in the woods or fish a creek .... for your own safety of course. "

Of course not, unless, for whatever reason, I'm not allowed.
If PFBC closed LL, I wouldn't break a law to fish.


"O'rly? The only laws that matter are natural laws."

What about traffic laws? Nothing natural about a motor vehicle.



If you dislike the government so much, why not leave ?

Posted on: 2013/10/3 13:10
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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If PFBC closed LL, I wouldn't break a law to fish.

I don't see what that has to do with the discussion we are having and what you have said. Please expound



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If you dislike the government so much, why not leave ?

It isn't if I dislike but .... why would I leave?

Posted on: 2013/10/3 13:23
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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PFBC is a government agency. If they put LL off limits, would you go there to fish anyway ?


I'm not sure I understand the other question.

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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PFBC is a government agency. If they put LL off limits, would you go there to fish anyway ?

If they closed it down b/ of something wrong w/ the creek, fish, etc, etc .. wouldn't fish. If they gated it up cause they couldn't fund the govt employees and put it off limits until they hash out their issues ... F'dat ... u bet ur arse I'm fishin.

Do you also lose the ability to think without government?





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If you dislike the government so much, why not leave ?

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I'm not sure I understand the other question.


Yes I dislike the government BUT why would I leave?

Posted on: 2013/10/3 13:44
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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I work in CC Philly and I can look out my window at Independence Hall and I noticed they closed and locked gates on the smaller parks that make up Independence Nat'l Park and these parks are basically just garden areas.

As for the larger parks, there is no way to physically close them and people are still using them as before.

There is no way they can stop anyone from fishing Valley Creek in the park just like the parks here.

Sorry Folks, the park's closed! - Marty Moose

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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We the people own that land, not congress or the administration. Walk in & fish and hunt those parks if you desire and do so with patriotic pride for what our founding fathers really dreamed of for our country. It sure wasn't this shameful embarrassment we're dealing with now. Consider it your act of civil disobedience if you like.

Closing these park lands is a joke, like we really need government in order to take a walk in the woods or wet a line in a stream or lake.

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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You may or may not be safe, I don't know. What they're saying is they can not guarantee that there will be any way to respond to any emergency.
The place is closed. The people who run it, whether you own it or not, won't allow you in. What's so hard to understand?
Whether you like the government or not doesn't determine the laws you have to follow.


LMAO. Baaah, baaah.

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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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I can't even respond anymore.
Do you guys think you're above everything, or are you just discussing to discuss?

Posted on: 2013/10/3 15:21
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Re: Gov't shutdown closes Valley Creek

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It's obvious you're not SUPPOSED to, since it's impossible not to see the signs.

I won't do it. If I want to fish Valley, I'll do it out of the park. :)

That said, I do agree that the prohibition on entering parks wouldn't hold up under court scrutiny. The government does not own the land. We the people do. We give the government permission to manage it. But in the absence of government, it's still our land.

In the absence of governments, I get it. Trash cans don't get emptied. Bathrooms don't get cleaned. Tours and interpretive walks stop. Gift shops close. Food stands close. Campgrounds shut down. There's nobody to answer historical questions. To protect public property, you can't open the doors to museums, monuments, etc. All the stuff that requires people and money to provide can't happen. I can even understand shutting down the roads and parking areas, if they are taken care of by the park service. If they are state roads, then they stay open.

But people and money don't provide the land itself.

IMO, it should revert from national park to any other public space, like national forests. The National Forest Service, though, doesn't try to tell you that you can't walk in your woods. They may gate many of the temporary roads that are opened and closed frequently. But you can drive the main roads, walk wherever you'd like, fish, hunt, etc.

Posted on: 2013/10/3 15:51



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