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Re: Berks county class a info

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I don't really care about Donny Beaver, Class A, Big Spring, Spot Burning and other calamities in our sport. What concerns me more is what do we do to help our sport? That is my fight. Pay it forward.


With all due respect, understanding history and what has happened in the past that has hurt the sport and the fisheries is very important and shouldn’t be swept under the rug. You can’t change the past but you certainly can learn from the past and prior mistakes so as not to make the same mistakes when trying to implement future ideas in order to help the sport moving forward.

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GW if you want to slice and dice NP. You are not hearing me. Pay it forward is the message. :)

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Re: Berks county class a info

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Spot-burning exists, and posting info about some stream on this site and other places on the intreweb can, will, and has been to the detriment of those streams. If one thinks a handful of anglers every weekend stomping up and down a secluded wild trout stream (even conscientious FFers) has no effect on the inhabitants therein, one is sorely mistaken. I "discovered" a Monroe County stream a few years ago that likely many of you know of or have fished. The first few times I fished there I encountered hundreds of wild browns - there were fish everywhere there was holding water. And the deeper runs held decent numbers of bigger fish. Then the PFBC decided to publicize it as a "hot spot for wild trout"... Immediately after that I would find cars in the parking area (a SGL lot on the ridge about 1/4 mi from the stream) when usually there were none, both baiters and FFers down in the stream when I never encountered anyone before, and, of course, fewer and smaller trout. I rarely fish there anymore...

That said, VC is not a secluded wild trout stream. Everyone knows about it. It's restoration to a wild trout fishery is well-documented and publicized. Is this really where this crap started? Threatening, bullying - like, seriously? If anyone can fill me in via PM I would appreciate it, but whatev.

I think it's best to ask yourself some questions before you post publicly about a stream. Is it a small stream, with a relatively fragile habitat? How accessible is it? Are the masses going to be willing to bushwhack and crawl through multiflora rose to catch a 4" brookie - probably not. Hell Creek in Monroe County, for example. Go there. Enjoy. I think the 'Hicky, on the other hand, falls into the category of both fragile and accessible - it wouldn't require much effort to catch and keep all the legal trout one wants there. Oh, see what I did there...? You all know where I'm talking about but I didn't actually name it in a manner that it can be searched for. Google indexes every post on this website. You don't have to be a member to search for "paflyfish West Lunker Run" and get a list of every post mentioning such. Try it. Actually, PAFF is such a popular site that you don't even have to include it in the search. Google any PA stream and this forum is one of the top results...

Hey, if you're a noob and still learning the ins and outs of the coolest hobby on earth that's fine. You're excused, IMO. No one can blame you for being amped about a stream and wanting to tell everyone about it. Live and learn.

Squatch - the old school HBO Ali G is effing HILAROIUS! Guy's a comedic genius.


TL;DR. I know.


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Re: Berks county class a info

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Google any PA stream and this forum is one of the top results.


You understand the way google works, right? This site is one of the top results because you frequently visit it, probably on the same browser on the same computer logged in as the same person.

Someone else could do the same search and get vastly different results.

You know, it's also amazing that when I visit any site, most of the ads are of things related to what I'm interested in. They must be psychic!

Posted on: 2012/9/18 13:09


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You understand the way google works, right?


LOL yes, I know how google works. I know how cookies work and how ad-tracking works. I misspoke slightly. I don't know what browser/config you run, but my non-sponsored search results are most certainly not biased.. If I type a random semi-popular stream name, I get mixed results. If I include "paflyfish" before the search terms, or use the command "site:paflyfish.com", it's on.

So... you successfully sniffed out the one incorrect sentence from my hella-wordy post. Congrats.

Oh, check your PMs. I have another question or two regarding the ANF and my upcoming trip I posted about before the old Locations forum got nuked. Hoping you can be of some help.

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Dude, the Ali G Show was amazing. Best one is when he visits the farm and he gets the old dude going on the difference between a veterinarian and a veteran. Netflix needs to put that crap up!

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Searches:

"Penns Creek"

-- got to page 6 and not a single link to paflyfish

"Valley Creek"

-- got to page 6 and not a single link to paflyfish


"Rasler Run Tunungwant Creek Roaring Run Kettle"

-- got to page 6 and not a single link to paflyfish

"Best Trout Streams in Pennsylvania"

-- Best Trout Streams In Pennsylvania

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Re: Berks county class a info

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Hell I got "njflyfishing.com" long before I hit PAFF!

Kabutt's point is true though. I googled the stream I previously mentioned, a more obscure, and it came up w/ threads on this page.

Posted on: 2012/9/18 14:16


Re: Berks county class a info

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JackM - I'm not sure if your post backs up or refutes my assertion. But my results are the same.

You obviously visit this site often, so if pcray is correct you should see results from this site. I also don't get results from this site when searching random stream names. So, my particular statement that just searching a stream mane without the paflyfish command was incorrect. I stand corrected and humbly apologize for this misrepresentation. It is also important to consider that different browsers can be configured differently, and will produce different results. That said, try using "site:paflyfish.com" preceding your query.

My point was that if someone wants to find out about a stream from the PAFF forums, they don't have to be a member to do so. Even if the forum is hidden to non-members.

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Damn, I googled Hell Crack and I got nothing but porn sites...................oops never mind. Typo.

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Hope you're not at work lookin' at that pron!

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Dude, the Ali G Show was amazing. Best one is when he visits the farm and he gets the old dude going on the difference between a veterinarian and a veteran. Netflix needs to put that crap up!


For real. One of my faves: http://youtu.be/zeUtCxe-xDg

LOL Fox. If it exists, there is porn of it.

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haha I'll watch when I get home. Remember when he asked Stormin' Normin, "Do you know General Motors?"

One time when I was in high school and the interwebs was dial up, I was doing research for a book report on the Hobbit. I found some hilarious pron!

Posted on: 2012/9/18 14:33


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I've sworn off responding to this thread, which is a shame because there's some champion statements made in here.

That said, the following statements have no relevance the drama, so I'm able to weigh in without violating the spirit of my prior statement:

"valley creek" turns up no results until page 6? Try "valley creek fishing," "valley creek fly fishing," or "valley creek fishing report." Five hundred thirty-eight results just from this site alone on that, BTW.

Google weights results, period. End of story. It will frontload results for you, as well as those who use AdSense, as well as appropriate meta tags. There's entire businesses devoted to loading Google results.

Members-only'ing a forum keeps the crawlers out. No crawlers, no Google. How do I know? I run a fly fishingish website which is locked to all non-members, and our information doesn't end up on the Googles.

That said, members-only'ing reports/locations will jsut result in an inordinate amount of new members who never post, but the results would remain the same for people gleaning information, such as it is. How do I know? Because someone suggested people from here go there in a public thread, and I witnessed a 30% surge in membership, and a 10% return on new posters from the influx. People don't want to provide content, they want to take it.


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I had never heard of Ali G until today and now I'm pissin' myself laughing at that clip! How did ole C Everett not break down???????

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