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Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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I was up that way yesterday, fishing a small trib in the Cedar Run area. On the way up, all the tribs were clear, and not very high.

But Pine Creek was very muddy, even though its flow was not real high either, around 200 cfs at the Cedar Run gauge. I thought that it was odd that it hadn't cleared up more by yesterday afternoon.

Someone said the muddy water was coming down Babb Creek. Is that just because they got more rain up there, or because of a lot of disturbed land from the old mines?

Does Babb Creek typically run muddier than other Pine tribs?

Posted on: 2012/9/10 12:27


Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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I was up that way yesterday, fishing a small trib in the Cedar Run area. On the way up, all the tribs were clear, and not very high.

But Pine Creek was very muddy, even though its flow was not real high either, around 200 cfs at the Cedar Run gauge. I thought that it was odd that it hadn't cleared up more by yesterday afternoon.

Someone said the muddy water was coming down Babb Creek. Is that just because they got more rain up there, or because of a lot of disturbed land from the old mines?

Does Babb Creek typically run muddier than other Pine tribs?


I don't think Babb Creek runs muddy. During the high water of early spring it will have an unhealthy grey or blue cast.

Another report said the mud was coming from Dixie Run. Dixie is a small trib to Babb Creek.

Posted on: 2012/9/10 13:05


Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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Someone said the muddy water was coming down Babb Creek. Is that just because they got more rain up there, or because of a lot of disturbed land from the old mines?


Based on what afish posted on this thread, the heavy rain appears to have been localized almost exclusively in the Babb creek watershed. Any stream is going to be muddy if it gets four inches of rain in a few hours...

Posted on: 2012/9/10 16:49


Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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It hit dixie run and therefore went into babb then pine. My buddy was at dinner in morris and he said it was weird the way it hit in such a narrow place..

Posted on: 2012/9/10 17:08
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Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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On another note I went scouting and training the pup and while in the hills fished a stream for wild brookies with the 6'6" 2wt. this was after 1.78 inch of rain night before. still a little low. lots of YOY brookies seen..

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Posted on: 2012/9/10 17:19
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Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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Nice pics Sandfly. Agree, that stream is still pretty low. The pool in your pic gave up an 8 incher when I was there last. Some good color in those Brookies already.

Posted on: 2012/9/10 20:47


Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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I'm seeing around 2 inches which is pretty good. Now we need some more.

Posted on: 2012/9/11 22:41
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Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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Here is a link to pictures of the Dixie Run flash flood and aftermath.
You will have to scroll down, there are two posts about the flood.
Dixie Run is/was a class A Brook Trout stream.

Posted on: 2012/9/21 10:24


Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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Thanks for the link with the pictures. The blog is great, I read it all. At the bottom is a picture of bear that came out of the woods to watch a Medi-Vac helicopter.

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Re: Anyone notice the flash flooding near cedar?

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I've driven along Dixie Run and I can't believe it was ever a Class A brookie stream in my lifetime. It's channelized from the headwaters down to the mouth at Babb Creek. It may be, but the floods are caused by the channelization not the other way around.
The stream is a wreck constructed by whoever channelized it.
As for Babb, I've don't usually see the water muddy and I've crossed the creek quite a few times going to camp.

Posted on: 2012/9/21 18:19
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