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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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I think you would be the one that would need to show facts about cost. I wasent the one that challenged.

As far as the fingerling and adult stocking thing....you want me to mail you scientific data? I have a bunch.

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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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As long as the average Pa fisherman subscribes to the Put and Take mentality I believe this thread is moot.

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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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If i must:

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2,067 wild trout streams, such as 182 with Class A Wild Trout populations and 55 streams designated as Wilderness Trout Streams.

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/info/pawilds/about.aspx

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Wild trout are the focus of this effort, and with more than 3300 stream sections consisting of over 7700 miles of wild trout water it is a daunting task.

http://www.patrout.org/About_PA_Trout.html

so state parks and forest have a little over 1/4 the total wild trout water stream mileage. Being that these habitats are some of the best....the probably also consist of 25 percent of the total class a water.
averaging the criteria for just class a wild brook and brown trout:

thats 31.15 lbs of fish per acre.

182 class a trout streams....looking over the class a list (and with out add ing all together and dividing, im not wasting all night).......the average class a stream is about 3-4 miles long. so we will say 3.5.

208.7 feet crosses 1 acre. There is 5,280 feet in a mile.

5,280 X3.5 = 18,480 feet on a avg class a stream.

18,480 feet / 208.7 = 88.5 acres a average class a stream flows through

88.5 X 31.15 =2756.775 avg lbs of fish in a class a stream

182 x 2756.775 = 501,733.05 lbs of FREE fish in state game land and state forest.

Im sure there is faults in these numbers:
granted these figures are way off(and 2 the low side)....not all the streams are class a but also i didnt include all the streams and it also didnt include all the acres to miles of water........try to find those figures if you can. Its not possible. Then again you would need to know how many are wild brown streams, brook streams, rainbow streams, or a mix. YOu would need figures of non-class a stream populations......Either way as you can see its a great number of fish......

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Show me some facts that discount what I said and I'll listen.


But if you need cold hard facts to fight for something you enjoy and cherish ....i wonder what all YOUR effort is for. *shurgs*

yawning........

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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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There those figures are better

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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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and how much of your time did you waste doing all that?

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about the past 45 mins but you asked for it didnt you. Dont worry im an insomniac......gave me something to do. I need a break from writing.

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Look it really doesn't matter how much more stocked fish cost...if the work that is done to keep wild fish viable costs one dollar it is not free. That's all I said. And you quoted it. I lived in Idaho long enough to know how great it is to fish for wild trout. I did it 250 days a year. But if they are as fragile as you keep telling us, there is a price to pay or they will not survive. Not free.

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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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Yes ok not completely free but tom....

What i said:
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Id be willing to bet wild trout are a heck of a lot cheaper than stocked fish Tom.


What you said:
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You can bet whatever you want.


I tried to show some facts....think i proved they are quite a bit cheaper.

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I never said they weren't cheaper. Nice try though...

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Got me there.

Ill tell you what though...looking at those numbers is very impressive. It really puts our resource into perspective. Amazing

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they are measured in hectares not acres aren't they?


One Hectare = 2.47 acres. One Hectare = 10000 sq. meters or 107600 sq. feet. One Acre = 4050 square meters or 43560 sq. feet ...you may have to adjust your math if that is correct...but I'm sure Jack or another closet mathematician can do that.

My 14 year old is taking all AP classes and his math is already beyond what I remember because I took AP math 30 years ago and hardly ever used it

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Re: Stocking Trout Over Wild Fish

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I used this:

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/rulemakin ... ices/2008_12_02classa.pdf

Total brown trout biomass of at least 40 kg/ha (35.6 lbs/acre).
Total brook trout biomass of at least 30 kg/ha (26.7 lbs/acre).

So the math is still correct by these terms.

I didnt use square feet because im not measuring square stream frontage. Also it is likely that a stream meanders through on acre. Instead my numbers show it as if the stream is going straight as an arrow. As i said this numbers were averaged and are going to be off.

Its just to give you an idea not to be exact.

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Jack,

The article is not available on the internet but I did scan it and want to attach it to this thread. I have it both as a JPEG and a TIFF and it is over 1 MB any suggestions for posting. If not I can just email it to you as a pdf or an image.

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salvelinusfontinalis wrote:
I used this:

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/rulemakin ... ices/2008_12_02classa.pdf

Total brown trout biomass of at least 40 kg/ha (35.6 lbs/acre).
Total brook trout biomass of at least 30 kg/ha (26.7 lbs/acre).

So the math is still correct by these terms.

I didnt use square feet because im not measuring square stream frontage. Also it is likely that a stream meanders through on acre. Instead my numbers show it as if the stream is going straight as an arrow. As i said this numbers were averaged and are going to be off.

Its just to give you an idea not to be exact.


cool, too lazy to do the math myself...just knew one of them was a different measure. thanks

Posted on: 2009/6/12 9:33


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Anyone interested in the article mentioned by Skeeter can view it below:

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