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Re: Privatization of State parks?

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Count me in with it being a bad idea also.

Maybe it's time for the parks to start charging a day use fee to bring in some revenue. I don't think it would be that big of a deal for a person - who really wants to visit a certain place - to cough up a modest fee.

The wife and I vacationed in Michigan last month - and that's what they do there. They charged like $8 a day per vehicle - and it was good for any state owned park.
And every place that we visited was very well maintained. Certainly made it worth the cost IMO

Posted on: 2011/8/30 13:09


Re: Privatization of State parks?

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Count me in with it being a bad idea also.

Maybe it's time for the parks to start charging a day use fee to bring in some revenue. I don't think it would be that big of a deal for a person - who really wants to visit a certain place - to cough up a modest fee.

The wife and I vacationed in Michigan last month - and that's what they do there. They charged like $8 a day per vehicle - and it was good for any state owned park.
And every place that we visited was very well maintained. Certainly made it worth the cost IMO


This was my experience in Florida, too. Wiggins Pass (Naples)charged a similar fee and was packed.

Taxes are lower there, too. ...just sayin'.

Posted on: 2011/8/30 18:44
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There are many state that charge day use fees for access to SP's, in the case of PA that's the only way we'll keep them maintained and from being over developed.

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Re: Privatization of State parks?

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DE State Parks charge a fee to access them. It is $4 a day for in state vehicles and $8 a day for out of state vehicles. You can also buy a season pass for $26 for an in state vehicle. Does it keep folks away? No. The parks are packed. Cape Henlopen gets so crowded they actually close the park and don't let people in until those using the park leave.

Posted on: 2011/9/1 12:41


Re: Privatization of State parks?

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Dear GRP,

I think you are mixing apples and oranges when you speak of Park entrance fees when the original post, and what Corbett suggested, is transfering the administration and operation of the parks to private businesses.

I have a question for supporters of this "idea". If private businesses are so sure that running PA's State Parks is a money maker why don't they prove it conclusively by purchasing a couple thousand acres? Then they can develop the park by adding lakes, campgrounds, restrooms, hiking trails, educational programs, etc - the kind of things you find in every State Park, with their own damn money. It won't be long until they are rollin' in the dough, right?

Wrong, this is just another stupid idea designed to allow undeserving opportunists to profit from parks that the taxpayers of the State of PA already own and support with their tax dollars.

Privatization is nothing more than giving away publically owned property. It's a stupid idea on it's face, and it will always be a stupid idea.

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Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2011/9/1 20:15
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Re: Privatization of State parks?

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Tim is correct. These parks already belong to us, why should we have to pay more money (than we already do) to visit them?

And why would anyone have the right to sell of property that is already ours?


No, our national and state parks should be kept as far from the current standards of American life and expectations as possible. Them being used for things OTHER than profit is exactly what protects them. They aren't assets, and we should never think of them as such.

Posted on: 2011/9/1 22:45


Re: Privatization of State parks?

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I wouldn't mind paying a small fee to use them, like said above, lots of other parks do the same. I am totally against them being privatized though. I'm also leery of having a consessionaire lease them, it works in some places, not so good in others. if a lease situation occurs, I think very tight regulations over how they are run would have to be implemented. our state parks are awesome, I think they actually won some type of award a few years back. we need to keep them that way.
when I'm camping in a state park, I like that a forest ranger, someone with a passion and interest in the outdoors, is there to talk to and answer questions. if privatization occurs, we might end up with flunkies from the carnival simply taking our money.

Posted on: 2011/9/2 7:20


Re: Privatization of State parks?

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Tim,
I wasn't commenting on the original intent of the post, which is the privatization of the park. I was adding input to the few posts above mine which talked about charging entrance/usage fees (controlled by the state) for these parks. I'm against the privatization of any publicly owned state property. That is a slippery slope we don't want to go down. I am not against the charging of an entrance/usage fee if that is what it takes to keep the parks in the hands of the state and ultimately keeps it belonging to the people.

Posted on: 2011/9/2 8:34


Re: Privatization of State parks?

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The government has a responsibility to protect our resources within reason. State and national parks are resources. Even as a "privatize it!" Libertarian, I see the need to keep these resources public.

Booze on the other hand....government has NO responsibility to own businesses, nor do I believe they have the right. Parks are a resource, booze is not. One protects the natural resources, within reason I might add, the other is just government injecting itself into the free market. Booze should be sold and managed on the free market just like any other good. The idea of the government owning retail stores is absolutely ridiculous to me.

Corbett's priorities are absolutely whack. I get it. There are a lot of people here who are tired of things like teacher's unions and their demands. They're tired of a tyrannical property tax that robs us of our money; forcing people, particularly people on fixed incomes who have already paid off their mortgages, to surrender their property because they can't afford to pay the tax on it. We get it; there are things that need to be fixed in the funding of our education system. His policies hurt the people on the front lines though; the students, the parents, and the teachers. You want to make massive cuts in the state budget to get it back on track? Fine. I agree, that's a good idea. Its a good idea to reform the funding of education in this state. Throw educators and students under the bus? Not so much of a great idea....

Posted on: 2011/9/2 9:29


Re: Privatization of State parks?

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Dear GRP,

Just so we are clear I didn't write my post with the idea that you approved of privatization. I just wanted to make sure that people stuck to the idea at hand and I apologize if I wasn't clear about that.

As far as entrance fees go I'm one of those dorks that writes their name and address on the envelope and sticks it in the honor box along with the fee. If something costs me something and I decide to avail myself of it then I pay.

I see privatization as something that can't work out for something like a State Park. A liquor store, maybe, but not a State Park. There is too much already invested in our State Park system by the taxpayers of PA and the users of the parks to hand the reins to a for profit enterprise and say "Good Luck."

The truth of matter is that if it weren't for someone searching for a quick short term ROI there'd be no talk whatsoever of privatization. Whether that's the fault/goal of Governor Corbett or the proposed park owners matters not a whit.

If it really was a great idea it would have come under serious consideration at a time when the State was flush with cash rather than in desperate need. That alone proves it's a stupid idea meant only for someone to profit at a level that far exceeds their expenditure and effort, which unfortunately now seems to be the "American Dream."

Regards,

Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2011/9/2 20:22
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I'll take Corbett you can have good ol Martin OMalley. The dicator of Maryland. If you want to make a profit, privatize it. If you want it to go in the hole, let government run it. Haven't we all had enough of government. You can't run you're house hold the way government runs so why do you think they can run anything? More taxes that usually solves nothing.

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Everything has its cost; it's up to us to ask, is it worth it.

Is it worth two dollars from every taxpayer to provide a free park system for all to enjoy, rich or poor, wearing a tie or a pair of Daisy Duke's? If all taxes and spending worked like private enterprise, you may as well toss out the government "by the People" concept.

As for State Stores they need not dissolve the monopoly to begin to allow private concerns to sale wine and spirits. All you need to do is modify it, limit the duration of the expectation (to protect business investments that might be made), and see how it works for ya.

Make the private businesses purchase through the state monopoly and retain the revenue, while divorcing the gubment from the hassles such as paying a living wage, providing medical benefits and pensions for employees.

I don't support this, I'm just saying, for those that do, there are alternatives to complete divestment.

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Some national parks are already operated by private companies. Yellowstone has a private company running all the lodges, stores, and eateries. Not saying I endorse the concept just putting out the information.

Posted on: 2011/9/9 9:24
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Re: Privatization of State parks?

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I'll take Corbett you can have good ol Martin OMalley. The dicator of Maryland. If you want to make a profit, privatize it. If you want it to go in the hole, let government run it. Haven't we all had enough of government. You can't run you're house hold the way government runs so why do you think they can run anything? More taxes that usually solves nothing.


That’s the main dilemma voters face each election: Two ridiculous choices.

The government cannot run like a household nor can it run like a business. Those two models oversimplify our hyper complex government to the point of being foolish. That doesn’t mean our governments can run huge deficits either. Some difficult choices need to be made to balance the budget and begin to reduce the deficit. In the short term we need to cut the fat out of spending AND raise taxes. The sooner we reduce the deficit, the sooner we reduces the tremendous interest on that debt.

As far as the state parks, forests and game lands are concerned, as long as they break even, I’m good with them. IMO, they are jewels in the state crown and a resource fo ALL to enjoy. If you think that makes me a socialist, I can live with that. The more land we set aside an preserve, the better. When we follow/worship the almighty dollar as the means and the end we doom the land and, by extension, ourselves.

Posted on: 2011/9/11 8:49
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Re: Privatization of State parks?

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It sounds like Donny Beaver, his free lunch talk, and the Governor is listening and would like to act on it.

Posted on: 2011/9/11 14:50



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