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just saw on the news that the youngstown region of ohio experienced some earthquakes yesterday, some think they may be caused by brine injection wells in the area, they shut down the wells until further investigation.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/31/us/ohio-earthquake/index.html
Posted on: 2012/1/1 8:20
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So I missed another earthquake?! I don't live that far from Youngstown and I didn't feel any of the quakes.
I do think the wells might have contributed to this, I guess we'll see what they come up with.....
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I'd be worried about well integrity issues after a quake. Well casings and cement + quake = bad fishing
Posted on: 2012/1/1 22:16
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also equals bad drinking water for residents.
Posted on: 2012/1/2 8:43
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They occur in that area quite often. I believe the USGS keeps maps and history if your interested in looking it up.
Posted on: 2012/1/2 17:42
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That's interesting because Youngstown is in Mahoning county (which has its own seismic station) but indicates no past quakes according to the map you suggested we look up.
page 6 http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/10/pdf/EL/el09.pdf Of course dumping caustic fluids miles underground could change all that.
Posted on: 2012/1/2 18:25
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The gov't should know...they did the same thing years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_Arsenal
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I didn't look it up on there I just knew they kept a history and being that I have read more than one article about earthquakes occurring there several times this past year I figured there would be a history....my bad.
But here is a recent article about the latest one citing 11 this past year. http://www.timesonline.com/news/local ... 12-9c73-b408673627cb.html
Posted on: 2012/1/2 21:22
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11? and if they weren't common in the past, what does that tell you? 11 is a lot.
Posted on: 2012/1/3 0:28
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FWIW, I fully believe injection wells played a role in this.
However, groups of earthquakes are the norm even if it were natural. You might go 50 years without so much as a wiggle when that fault is locked up tight. Then a fault slips, you get the earthquake, and wherever the fault catches isn't so solid anymore, it slips again. Till finally you relieve all pressure, the fault goes silent again, and solidifies in place for another 100 years.... That's what aftershocks are, really. Getting nothing for 50 years and then 11 in 2 weeks is very much the natural way of things. It's just that, in this case, I find it likely that the injection well probably triggered that first one.
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A long time ago some mad scientist, a geophysicist I think, proposed injecting water or some other suitable lubricant into major fault zones. The idea was to relieve the stress slowly, in a series of small tremors, and avoid a catastrophic earthquake in the future. Quite a bit of research was done, but in the end it just wasn't practical. Maybe that's what's happening here, by accident of course.
Its not like NE OH & NW PA haven't had earthquakes before. They usually measure several every year. They are generally shallow, 5 miles or less, and weak, 5.0 max. The strongest ones can be felt but do little damage. Changes to aquifers being the most common. My well ran red for a week or so after the 1998 Jamestown, PA earthquake. A 4.5 according to the USGS. Its theoretically possible that injecting fluids into a fault zone that's under stress could initiate an earthquake, but I'm still a bit skeptical. The current amount of seismic activity near Youngstown is not that unusual from a historical perspective. What's more, the quakes they are having are in several different locations so having a few near an injection well could easily be a coincidence. If all the quakes were associated with injection wells and known faults it would be more convincing, but I don't think that's the case. Regardless, injection wells can not create an earthquake larger then what would happen naturally. They don't create the stress needed for an earthquake, but they could relieve stress that has already built up over time.
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I've read the unusual thing about this quake was it's center was less than 2 miles deep (in the injection zone). Smoking gun?
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No. Faults at any depth can slip. Many major quakes have been very shallow. Gon4Day is pretty much spot on. Injection wells can't cause the stress required for a fault to slip. They can lubricate the fault and cause it to happen at a different time than it otherwise would. i.e. they can "trigger" a quake that would have happened anyway, though it may not have happened for another 50 years.
We indeed have quakes. Everyone does. The difference between us and, say, California is twofold. First, they have much larger and more active faults, which move more, and build stress more quickly. Second, they have different rock types, which allow more stress to build before slipping, leading to larger quakes, and the rock also transmits the energy better. There's plenty of merit in triggering quakes, thus making more numerous small ones and preventing big ones. The problem is that there are simply too many faults, and they aren't all mapped perfectly, you'd have to be quite perfect in the placing of your well. An effort to relieve danger would be a massive, expensive effort with uncertain effectiveness. Plus, even if the triggered quakes are smaller than they may naturally have been, you are still intentionally triggering quakes which can cause damage, and that doesn't go over so well with the public. But when you make enough wells, you occasionally randomly hit one. Sounds like what happened here.
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I seem to remember reading in some geology book that someone proposed pumping a lubricant into one of the fault lines in California back in the 20s or 30s. Part of the concern about the idea was that no one could be sure there wasn't enough pressure built up to cause a large quake if it let go.
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Go figure...
Ohio Quakes Probably Caused by Drilling-Fluid Well, Report Says 2012-03-09 15:51:24.261 GMT By Mark Niquette March 9 (Bloomberg) -- Earthquakes last year in Ohio were probably caused by wastewater from oil and natural-gas drilling injected into a disposal well, and regulations are needed to address concern about seismic activity, a state report said. The Ohio Department of Natural Resources today proposed creating rules for fluid transportation and disposal, including banning drilling into some rock formations and requiring geological reviews before wells are approved. The recommendations are a response to 12 quakes centered within a mile (1.6 kilometers) of an injection well in Youngstown, Ohio. “A number of coincidental circumstances appear to make a compelling argument for the recent Youngstown-area seismic events to have been induced,” including the timing, location and depth of the earthquakes in relation to the well, the report said. Researchers are also looking into whether temblors in states, including Arkansas and Texas, were caused by injecting fluid under pressure. U.S. states are trying to avoid any environmental impact from hydraulic fracturing while reaping the economic benefits. So-called fracking involves injecting water, sand and chemicals underground at high pressure. Safeguards Demanded “Ohioans demand smart environmental safeguards that protect our environment and promote public health,” James Zehringer, the department director, said in the release. “These new standards accomplish this goal.” Exxon Mobil Corp., Chesapeake Energy Corp., and Devon Energy Corp. are among companies drilling in Ohio’s Utica and Marcellus shale formations. Federal regulators are studying any links between injections and quakes and the effects of fracking on drinking water. The value of production in Ohio may add $4.9 billion to the state’s economic output by 2014, a Feb. 28 study commissioned by the Ohio Shale Coalition concluded. The evidence suggests that fluid from the Youngstown well “intersected an unmapped fault in a near-failure state of stress causing movement along that fault,” the agency said. There had been no record of earthquakes in modern times from epicenters located in the Youngstown area before D&L Energy Inc. began injecting drilling brine, a byproduct of drilling, about 9,200 feet (2,804 meters) underground in December 2010, the report said. Starting in March, there have been 12 temblors around the well ranging from magnitude 2.1 to a 4.0 quake that hit on New Year’s Eve, according to the report. Kasich’s Moratorium That quake prompted Republican Governor John Kasich to place an indefinite moratorium on the Youngstown well, plus three other drilled wells and one in the vicinity with a permit pending, according to the report. The moratorium affecting five Youngstown-area wells will remain in place, the agency said. The report recommends 10 changes to the state’s permitting and monitoring program for Class II deep injection wells, including limiting the depth of drilling; additional review of available geological data; installation of a system at wells to continuously monitor pressure; and an automatic shut-off system if injection pressures exceed state limits. The changes will be implemented as part of the permitting process until they are either enacted into law or approved as part of state administrative rules, the department said in its release. The state also will buy four additional portable seismometers, the report said. Tracking System The agency also is requiring the installation of an electronic system to track fluids brought to Ohio wells for injection. There have been more permits for disposal wells in Ohio during the past two years than in the previous decade combined, according to records from the department. More than half of the volume injected last year was from out of state, included more than 90 percent of the water sent to the Youngstown well, records show. State Representative Armond Budish, the House Democratic leader, has said Ohio has become “the dumping ground for contaminated brine.” Kasich has said that while he’s not happy about the rising volume of wastewater from neighboring states, the U.S. Constitution prohibits interference with shipments. While drawing a link to the Youngstown quakes, the agency said it didn’t see a wider threat. It is “very difficult for all the conditions to be met to induce seismic events,” the state report said. It cited fewer than 20 connected with more than 144,000 U.S. injection wells in operation. Since Ohio assumed control of regulating disposal wells in 1983 from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, more than 202 million barrels of oilfield fluids have been sent to such wells in the state with no reports of contamination or other earthquakes, the report said. For Related News and Information: News on U.S. utilities: TNI UTI US Natural-gas trading hub prices: NGHB News about fracturing: STNI FRACKING Map of U.S. shale basins: BMAP 82555 --Editors: Mark Tannenbaum, Mark Schoifet To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Tannenbaum at +1-212-617-1962 or mtannen@bloomberg.net
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