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Re: HB 1576: Efforts to Undermine PA Wild Trout Protections Continue

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I just found out that the Unified Sportsmen of PA and the Pennsylvania State Camp Lessee's Association are supporting this bill.

Anyone here belong to one of these orgs? How could anyone that claims to love the outdoors support this bill?

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Who will appoint the Board members?


The “Independent Regulatory Review Committee” is comprised of 5 members, 1 appointed by the governor, 2 from the majority parties in the house and senate, and 2 from the minority party.

If they were full time positions occupied by qualified professionals making decisions on sound, objective basis, they might have some value. But since they are political appointees likely to change with every election, they are worse then useless. Calling them an IRRC is a joke.

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I just found out that the Unified Sportsmen of PA and the Pennsylvania State Camp Lessee's Association are supporting this bill.

Anyone here belong to one of these orgs? How could anyone that claims to love the outdoors support this bill?


USP has a big bone to pick with the Game Commission over deer reduction. While I know very little about the ins and outs of that dispute, the USP openly advertises it as basically the main reason for their existence.

As you note, it seems preposterous that anyone who claims to be a sportsman or love the outdoors could support these bills. That is, unless, it is more important to seize the chance to stick it to the GC.

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Re: HB 1576: Efforts to Undermine PA Wild Trout Protections Continue

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I beleive there is alot of money flying around. My representative did not wish to speak about it but rather to give the details of the bill. My rep also metioned his retirement. I think we will see alot of this next term. Just guessing.
It was a good strategic move to get the USP on their side. Anyone hear what their reason for their support is?

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so would getting people together in harrisburg some day be helpful? is anyone working on bringing a little more press attention to this? I think thats what we really need. lets get this on the local evening news, it seems to be the only thing older people listen to and believe.

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It was a good strategic move to get the USP on their side. Anyone hear what their reason for their support is?


From the link AFish provided: The USP make no bones about it, they fully support gas drilling everywhere and will side against the GC at any opportunity.

The state camp assoc. are similarly in opposition to "green" groups that they believe are trying to do away with the state lease camps.

Seems to me both groups are throwing the baby out with bath water.

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I guess the PGC could shut the USP up if they would stock deer for them. Does anyone else see the logic in that?

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Stenonema wrote:
Who will appoint the Board members?


The “Independent Regulatory Review Committee” is comprised of 5 members, 1 appointed by the governor, 2 from the majority parties in the house and senate, and 2 from the minority party.

If they were full time positions occupied by qualified professionals making decisions on sound, objective basis, they might have some value. But since they are political appointees likely to change with every election, they are worse then useless. Calling them an IRRC is a joke.


Do you have a source for the appointment of board members?

Unless there is a massive push of more than "outdoor enthusiasts," I for see passage of this HB. In honesty here, "average" PA citizens could care less about a Class A stream. They would like their McMansion, 2.5 kids, and a nice new car in their garage. At least in my scope of area, that is what you will see, and where do a majority of our votes come from? Urbanized populated areas that will swing the Jerry.

That being said, money is number one priority here. "They" are playing this exactly how they want us to look at it; all or nothing. As we see issues like this time and time again, it becomes a matter of playing the system.

They want money? Waste theirs. I believe we do have the ability to play to the bureaucratic system in reverse, meaning, setting up further controls and constraints to buy our side time. The push of the Big Gas and Gov. tie is to red tape the situation while they get a further foothold on the resources and by the time precautions are set in place, it is a clean up and restoration effort. Same country, same state, same county, same township, different day.

That seems to be bleak reality in my limited experience on this planet, and I hope I get proven wrong. An outright appeal to the House makes a lot of sense and I will be writing my Rep. Getting the language changed is the most feasible option, and I will be writing my Rep in plea to see that be done.

We know this bill is a total stampede upon protected resources and species, and they are playing this on technicality. But, who else besides us knows? In comparison we are a small community but it is up to us to decide how big our voice is.

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if there was a set day and time to stand on the steps of harrisburg and make your voice heard would you go? would you take the time off from work and show up? would you even help organize such an event so that at least you did more than crab about it online or only explain away why it's pointless or why the otherside has already won? I hear a lot of debate and I hear a lot of "thats the way it is" but I don't hear any hope. I know we are only a small group and but we can be heard if we want to be heard. how bad does it have to get before you do something? or if this gets through what happens when your water is damaged or something terrible happens to our water, will you think to yourself "man I should have said something" or will you be one of those people who says "told ya so!" but you really know that you never told anyone who didn't already know.

Nows the time, we could do something about this, however small. it's one thing to send individual emails it is another to come together face to face. we are not just a bunch of emails that get to be read and deleted and sent a standard form response. we are the people that make the decisions and if we don't like where this one is headed its time to change the conversation and be heard.


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I was told by my representative that this bill does not give industry any say in the designation process. Also the agencies will still hold the power to put their own designations in place based on their own standards. It is basically a review board to make sure all "t's" are crossed and "i's" are dotted.

Now if only I could believe that.

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I am in full agreement. We as citizens often forget that we are the government, in its most basic principal. So, PAflyfish.com, what can at least we do?


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The following gives a good indication of where the mainstream of PA outdoors people are on the issue.

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Thursday, January 9, 2014

Sportsmen Call On General Assembly To Protect Sensitive Fish & Wildlife

Pennsylvania’s largest sportsmen’s groups joined forces Thursday to send a strong message to members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly: Hunters and anglers throughout the Commonwealth oppose House Bill 1576 (Pyle-R-Armstrong) and Senate Bill 1047 (Scarnati-R- Jefferson).

The Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs, the Pennsylvania Council of Trout Unlimited, the Pennsylvania Trapper’s Association, and the Pennsylvania Chapters of the National Wild Turkey Federation, Quality Deer Management Association, the Izaak Walton League of America and Pheasants Forever, sent a letter to Pennsylvania legislators Thursday urging them to put science before politics, when it comes to fish and wildlife conservation. Collectively, these groups represent more than 100,000 sportsmen and women in Pennsylvania—a constituency that generates nearly $1.5 billion annually for the state’s economy.
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Re: HB 1576: Efforts to Undermine PA Wild Trout Protections Continue

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I see all the hunters and trappers and fisherman are on board. What about the Audobon society or Peta.. Where are they on this. They sure can make noise about other things.

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Just Google "HB 1576 Audubon" and you'll see that they are very much opposed to the bill.


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