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13,000 Gallon Frack Fluid Spill in Penn Township, Lycoming

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The accidents keep lining up it seems... I can only wait until the new governor gets in and opens the whole thing up again.

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Posted on: 2010/11/22 18:44


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How any conservation minded sportsman could have voted for him is beyond me.

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I completely agree!

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I've said it before, I'll say it again, this is only the beginning. our new governor is up the gas companies ass already. the next 20 years are gonna be ugly unless our ELECTED OFFICIALS grow some balls and stand up to these companies. I've repeatly asked my reps their opinions on the subject, only get a rehearsed response.
it's all about the money. if I had the money, I'd pay people NOT to drill, just to piss the gas companies off!

Posted on: 2010/11/22 20:04


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A DEP inspector discovered the spill while inspecting the well pad. The inspector found that the bottom valve on a 21,000-gallon fracking fluid tank was open and discharging fluid off the well pad. No one else was present at the pad, which has one producing Marcellus well.


Note that the VERY short staffed DEP inspector found this incident and it would have continued for how long had he not came by? I don't understand why the fracking fluid was in a tank? I thought that recovered fluid was held in ponds (that of course will eventually overflow or otherwise spill when, say a hurricane, tornado, flood, etc comes through)? If it is a producing well the drilling was over. Why was the fluid there in a tank?

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The ponds are for flowback, which is re-used. Before fracking, they use tanks.

One pad may have up to 12 wells drilled from it, they go down and then out horizontally in a star like pattern. On any given site, they drill one, recover the flowback, then start the next one reusing whatever frack fluid is left. So this particular site had one working well and they were in the process of drilling/fracking the 2nd.

I'm not anti-drilling, but this is the kind of stuff that has to be watched real closely. Throw the book at em for stuff like this, and then watch as all of the other companies get a lot more careful about following SOP's.

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"Here it comes, Here is comes, Here comes your 19th fracking accident."

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I just have to laugh, I saw a news article about fracking in WV, their dep is inacting tougher regs and the gas companies are saying those regs will "cripple" or even collapse the industry!! yeah right. so what they are saying is, if we take the time to do things right and act with common sense and work carefully, we might as well not even do it. and this is in wv, where taking the entire top off a mountain is considered ok!!
I'm really starting to dislike these gas companies. ruthless is one word that comes to mind.
I'll try to find the link to the article.

Posted on: 2010/11/23 7:15


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JackM=The M=Mick? The automation you posted of the Marcellus site is almost identical to the one on RT30 near Roxbury in Somerset county , i had to laugh at how much it looks like what you posted. Those square/rectangle metal boxes (they lind of look like dumpster containers) are where they store alot of the fracking fluids , on this site where we watch and talk to the crews almost daily the number of boxes is different so they are constantly moving them around from site to site and some of the concoctions get prepared at Haliburtons shop in Indiana PA , this info came from having breakfast with the crews and BS'ing with them. Everybody will take the time to talk with the one legged guy.

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Simple solution-- tax them and dedicate as much of the money as needed to regulating and monitoring the operations. Work with the industry to develop these regs, but keep in mind, the interest of the general public is not likely to be the same interest of the industry when it comes to use of our natural resources. I just read recently that the water draws required are sometimes being satisfied from new wells sunk into the aquifer at or near the drill site.

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I agree with Jack here, with one small change.

While I'm ok with a straight tax (provided the money goes to enforcement of regs on the industry), I'd opt for a lower tax with the remainder of the money to be collected in fines. You've gotta make it cheaper for them to follow proper procedures. Do it right, and you can make a nice profit. Screw up on easily preventable crap like this, and it's gonna get a whole lot more expensive in a hurry...

The key to making any industry responsible is making it profitable to be responsible.

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Here is three of us in a row that promote the idea of a stiff fine for the infraction in Lycoming couty , an accident like that is just stupid and should be treated as such. Here is THE opportunity for the enforcement folks to show how WE THE PEOPLE feel about stupid mistakes that endanger OUR wildlife. I don't want to say , make an example out of them 'cause that implies in a way that yeah they will fine that company while 10 other ones get away with it NO!!!! if someone does it tomorrow the same set of rules apply , zero tolerance on infractions , I also support the idea of a tax on the companies to be used for beefing up the inspection , TU article in TROUT magazine says we are severely undermanned on the inspection end. Interesting to see how this shakes out.

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pcray1231 wrote:
The key to making any industry responsible is making it profitable to be responsible.


Well, I look at that differently-- the key to being fair in allowing people to exploit natural resources for profit is to make the true cost of the operations be reflected in the cost the person exploiting the resource has to pay to do so, rather than letting most of that cost fall upon the general public or government.

If you want to leave some room for innovation by the company, by all means, then their profit motive will lead to innovation. But if you leave room for avoidance of responsibility, then the profit motive will lead to avoidance of responsibility.

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pcray1231 wrote:
The key to making any industry responsible is making it profitable to be responsible.


Well, I look at that differently-- the key to being fair in allowing people to exploit natural resources for profit is to make the true cost of the operations be reflected in the cost the person exploiting the resource has to pay to do so, rather than letting most of that cost fall upon the general public or government.

If you want to leave some room for innovation by the company, by all means, then their profit motive will lead to innovation. But if you leave room for avoidance of responsibility, then the profit motive will lead to avoidance of responsibility.



I agree with Jack. In PA you don't have to look far to see all the mining operations that mined out all the coal, took all their profits, and moved on leaving us, still to this day with an environmental mess to clean up.

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Yikes , those are some ugly photos and bring back ugly memories , the wind farm on rt30 east just past Reels Corner used to be a Berwin White strip mine now it's a small forest again with windmills on it and a 4 wheeler/RV campground , a great before and after site but it took 50 years to come back , i don't want my kids to lose 50 years ya know what i mean?

Posted on: 2010/11/23 10:42



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