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Re: what am i doing wrong?

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ihrtffishing wrote:
So you guys are saying I should cool it and just keep trying?


Go outside.
Go stand in a stream.
Go amuse yourself by drawing pretty loops in the air and seeing how long you can make the bobber glide along naturally.
Occasionally let a fish muck up all the beauty of nature and patterns.
Get used to it, don't expect it or you'll forget the reason you're out there.
Hrt some ffishing.


Posted on: 2011/5/24 10:26
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Re: what am i doing wrong?

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I think there are two ways to catch trout that are hard to screw up:

(1) Go find a wild brook trout stream and throw big bushy dry flies into every pool.

(2) Wait for a cloudy day (shouldn't have to wait long this year). Tie on a black woolly bugger and make one cast to every foot of bank. Strip the fly like mad. Make it look like this (note the take is in slo-mo):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD_p5oC7XpU

This will work in any stream that has brown trout. The smaller the stream, the more time you'll spend hurling profanity at bushes, trees, etc.


Posted on: 2011/5/24 10:35


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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what do you mean by stripping the fly? (again new to this)

Posted on: 2011/5/24 15:11


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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what do you mean by stripping the fly? (again new to this)


I'm pretty new to the game too, but I just had my first what I'd call successful day (10 trout in about 3 hours) this past weekend...all were caught on small BH Buggers. I think what is meant by stripping the fly is imparting motion to the fly by "stripping" or pulling the line/fly in with your line hand. This helps keep slack out of the line and makes it easier to detect strikes. Line slack and poor line control was the main obstacle for me I think that was keeping me from catching fish. If you use the rod tip to twitch or move the fly, every time you do so slack is left in the line and since most times fish hit on the pause, you may be getting strikes but are unable to detect them because of the line slack. I didn't pick up on this until I visually saw a few strikes while twitching the fly with the rod tip in the current but failed to set the hook due to the aforementioned line slack that is created by the twitching. If you're using buggers and you know there's fish there I'd say it's more just about practicing your presentation a bit.

Cast the bugger slightly upstream of your target area and try to let it dead drift with as little slack in the line as possible (as best you can) through the area where you think a fish most likely is. Once it gets downstream of you let the fly line tighten in the current - this will make the fly swing across the current toward you. Once it gets almost immediately downstream of you strip it in toward you with pauses in between the strips. Just keep at it, the fish will come, probably all at once once day...it will just click.

I should add...I think that is one of the main advantages of a Woolly Bugger for a beginner...you get three chances on every cast to catch a fish:

1. Drift
2. Swing
3. Strip

Depending on the conditions that day, where the fish are located, and how active they are will determine which one to focus on for that stream and that day.

Posted on: 2011/5/24 15:32


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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what do you mean by stripping the fly? (again new to this)


Pull the line in as fast as you can with your free hand. There are a lot of variations, but they all amount to pulling the fly away from the fish as though it were a prey item trying to escape.

A video would be helpful, but I can't find a good one. At about 0:54 in this video, Oliver Edwards makes a cast and begins to strip the fly in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XujYjEcyGK8

Hand positioning is very important. You must maintain constant control over your line or you will miss fish.

Posted on: 2011/5/24 16:01


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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This one is a bit better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70j92LJjhNE

skip to 4:30 to watch kelly strip his streamer.

Posted on: 2011/5/24 16:03


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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Pretty astute observations for being "pretty new" to the game

Your three chances is also what makes the wooly bugger a good fly for the non-beginner; it's not just a beginner's fly (fourth chance is it can mimic so many different food items in a stream)

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ihrtffishing wrote:
what do you mean by stripping the fly? (again new to this)


I'm pretty new to the game too, but I just had my first what I'd call successful day (10 trout in about 3 hours) this past weekend...all were caught on small BH Buggers. I think what is meant by stripping the fly is imparting motion to the fly by "stripping" or pulling the line/fly in with your line hand. This helps keep slack out of the line and makes it easier to detect strikes. Line slack and poor line control was the main obstacle for me I think that was keeping me from catching fish. If you use the rod tip to twitch or move the fly, every time you do so slack is left in the line and since most times fish hit on the pause, you may be getting strikes but are unable to detect them because of the line slack. I didn't pick up on this until I visually saw a few strikes while twitching the fly with the rod tip in the current but failed to set the hook due to the aforementioned line slack that is created by the twitching. If you're using buggers and you know there's fish there I'd say it's more just about practicing your presentation a bit.

Cast the bugger slightly upstream of your target area and try to let it dead drift with as little slack in the line as possible (as best you can) through the area where you think a fish most likely is. Once it gets downstream of you let the fly line tighten in the current - this will make the fly swing across the current toward you. Once it gets almost immediately downstream of you strip it in toward you with pauses in between the strips. Just keep at it, the fish will come, probably all at once once day...it will just click.

I should add...I think that is one of the main advantages of a Woolly Bugger for a beginner...you get three chances on every cast to catch a fish:

1. Drift
2. Swing
3. Strip

Depending on the conditions that day, where the fish are located, and how active they are will determine which one to focus on for that stream and that day.

Posted on: 2011/5/24 20:10


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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And I should use a small splitshot or no? And if so, how far up the tippet should it be?

Posted on: 2011/5/25 17:46


Re: what am i doing wrong?

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I tend not to use shot so can't help with distance from the fly but if the fly isn't getting close to the bottom then you should think about adding some.

Also how long of a leader(+ tippet) are you using? You want it short enough to manage but not too short that it turns off fish.

Posted on: 2011/5/26 16:57
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Re: what am i doing wrong?
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Here are some posts that may help with rigging and fishing:

Nymphing with an Indy

Fishing a Bugger

Good luck!

Posted on: 2011/5/27 6:28



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