Register now on PaFlyFish.com! Login
HOME FORUM BLOG PHOTOS LINKS


Sponsors

Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users



« 1 ... 4 5 6 (7)


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2006/9/10 16:07
From Pine Grove
Posts: 2410
Offline
Quote:

TUNA wrote:
or even "streamer snob", while we are at it?


LOL, that's me!

Boyer

Posted on: 2010/10/23 12:43


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
Quote:

JackM wrote:
So as not to offend any longer, I foreswear the use of the expression of being "forced" to nymph and will instead only suggest that I am "resorting" to nymphing on occasion.


Thank You Jack!

Forced is when you do something you'd rather not do, but with fishing you can just go home. Forced to mow the grass pretty much stinks and laundry but fishing should always be good.

I might be forced to fish with binoculars to see those little specks you fish with one day. Then we can do this again. :)

Posted on: 2010/10/23 16:50


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
Quote:

gfen wrote:
Quote:

jdaddy wrote:
She is clearly coming from a competitive fishing mindset, so it really does not apply to you Jerry.


Actually, alot of the Other Side is coming from a competitive mindset here.. Wet's perspective isn't competitive, its organized competitive sports.

Hers is actually more understandable to me, even if I think its missing "the point*," I understand that she operates on a level of an organized sport where its out to win it, and her kid's fishing is geared towards that goal, then surely hers would be, too.

Others', though, are every bit as competitive, they're just not out to win a game.


* - The point is nebulous. There is no cake. The cake is a lie.


This is probably worse then being forced to nymph. You do not know my son. I can tell you even though he compete's I am competitive. You can derive what I'm about all that you want to from my over the top sometime posts to my hissie fits. But since you don't know him, I respectfully ask you to read the book before you make preconceived opinions on my son. Why he does what he does and all of the win the game reasons you think that makes him fish or why he competes. I know no one will ever believe me but winning isn't where it's at for him. It is the whole experience of fine tuning skills and putting yourself out there to catch fish you never thought you'd ever catch. It's the friends he's met from the US and other countries. It takes him weeks or months to even talk about anything, then you hear the stories about a drive in a car in 2nd gear or a lost rod involving the police and a scrappy old guy with a memory like a vise. That's the point of my hold post. All of it.

Try something new for the experience of it. Try it out good, give it a good go. If it's not for you then let it pass by and try something else.


:)

Posted on: 2010/10/23 17:54


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2007/4/8 20:43
From SEPA
Posts: 11265
Offline
Quote:

wetnet wrote:
(rant)


Your children are of no concern to me. What they do and how they do it is of so little consequence as long as they don't do it on my yard.

However, as a member of an competive, organized sporting league I can only assume he's, y'know, competing to win. If he's just showing up to meet people and travel the world, Acristic's got some videos he should consider watching.

Posted on: 2010/10/23 18:09
_________________
April 8, 2007 - December 4, 2011.
And why not?


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
Re: Strike Indicator

Quote:

gfen wrote:
Quote:

wetnet wrote:
(rant)



Your children are of no concern to me. What they do and how they do it is of so little consequence as long as they don't do it on my yard.

However, as a member of an competive, organized sporting league I can only assume he's, y'know, competing to win. If he's just showing up to meet people and travel the world, Acristic's got some videos he should consider watching.


When you fish as a member of the US Fly fishing team you are one of 5 and one of you will be 5th no matter what. Someone will be # 5. It will happen again and again. The #5 guy. In tryouts the guy there will always be the guy that barely makes the team. You do win huge prizes. Millions $$$$. ? I did meet someone that was all about the win once. He is a great angler no doubt but he missed everything else that was out there. I'll leave it at that.

I have a boy, now a man that has always fished. He also played orgainized sports baseball and soccer. One day after an All Star game the best game of his life, a grand Slam, a triple and as a catcher multiple throw outs to 2nd and 3rd...threw his glove in the car after a huge handshake from the ump and said he was done. He went home and picked up his fly rod and has not put it down since. He has friends that fish but they didn't fly fish and when he caught fish and they didn't they didn't want to fish with him or asked if he was bringing that rod. Life is that way sometimes.

So you have a child that excels at something with no outlet to feed the need to learn. His Mom not knowing anything found him an outlet which turned out to be the best thing in his life.

Sorry about the backyard thing. I would think you'd like to have a young guy who is in an enviromental major and has a basic common sense attitude to be there if some slop is flowing across your yard.

About the friends, they still fish together. They can use a fly rod much better now with some help. They also ice fish, bass fish and just sometimes I think let their lines lay in the water.

Posted on: 2010/10/24 12:16


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2009/4/1 21:52
From Johnstown, PA
Posts: 4460
Offline
I know i'm jumping in late on this one but the "DRY FLY SNOB" caught my eye and i felt compelled to comment. I like to dry fly fish , more than any other method , it seems to me to be the ultimate in the fly fishing experience , nothing else comes close , you move upstream watching the water ahead of you , even have a seat on a rock below a promising piece of water and just watch , soon , there it is a rise , but wait , let the trout rise a few times to let yourself be sure it is feeding and probably more interested in feeding than looking for you , move in from below and behind , not too close , close enough , check your backcast , lob the first cast below and a little to the side , set it down easy so as not to spook , the trout turns but doesn't take , thrilling and more fun than any other method , put the second cast above and off to the side , the trout actually backs up and comes close to the fly , eyeing it up , in one motion it tilts back opens its mouth and takes the fly turning back to it's original position , IT"S ON!!!!!!! And it doesn't get any better than THAT!!!!! For me anyhow.

Posted on: 2010/10/24 14:28


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
The dry fly rebutal was after the comment about being forced to nymph. No offense to you or Jack. I say you can love a technique, but there are some that love to explore all of them and fine tune them. It's not for everybody but I hate to see them knocked down. If they cared a bit about what people thought we wouldn't have all of the finest anglers today who write books and share what they learn. We can pick and chose what we want to use but it is all out there. An amazing cascade of possibilities. and I apologize. The topic was about indicators. Use them. I do but like everthing else, there are a ton of options. Explore them all. I explored the dry dropper and it is one I'll keep it as a permanent option.

Posted on: 2010/10/24 15:18


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2010/6/19 16:43
From Clinton County, Pa.
Posts: 1781
Offline
Osprey, very good post. I agree with you. I could'nt have said it any better myself. It's great when they are rising however as they say 80% to 90% of the time the trout are feeding subsurface so consequently I catch more trout subsurface. But I do love fishing those little size 24 Tricos on those hot and humid mornings in July and August. IMO you can't beat it.

Posted on: 2010/10/24 18:12
_________________
"Even the thousandth trip to the same familiar stream begins with renewed hope and unfailing faith." ZANE GREY


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
Nor is it any less than to try to watch a thin strip of line, pause, swirl, go back upstream, get sucked down, whirl around again for the exact same moment you experience. I will never use dry fly and snob again. I get your world. I wish..I've got a dog with a balloon face. Darn bird dogs they bite bees. I've got to go.

Posted on: 2010/10/24 18:57


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2010/6/19 16:43
From Clinton County, Pa.
Posts: 1781
Offline
wetnet, been there done that. I did it yesterday on Spring Creek. I must say that nymphing is effective and just as exciting IMO as dry fly fishing. Great feeling when you lift and see that flash and feel that weight of a good fish!

Posted on: 2010/10/24 19:12
_________________
"Even the thousandth trip to the same familiar stream begins with renewed hope and unfailing faith." ZANE GREY


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2009/9/9 14:52
From Bel Air, MD
Posts: 699
Offline
Some really interesting points. I don't consider someone who primarily fishes dries a "dry fly snob." It's a matter of preference. Like others have said, on my home water, the Gunpowder, if I want to consistently catch fish, I need to nymph. It's where the bigger fish hold. I can catch dinks making splashy rises, but if I want to target bigger fish, nymphing is what I need to do.

A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to fish a pool where fish were rising to caddis in the morning. It was the first time I had really had the opportunity to watch the fish all the way. I took two fish in 3 casts and watched them climb through the water column, I could see their mouths open, and watched them sip in the fly....totally awesome.

Posted on: 2010/10/25 22:16


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
Re: Strike Indicator

Quote:

JasonS wrote:
Quote:

wetnet wrote:
I don't brag much about my fishing ability but you watch a line stop in a current and set on a fish that weighs less than a ounce of fish on your line and tell me it's some random luck.


Not to rain on your parade but it was most likely random luck that you caught that dace. Don't want to get into a long discussion of how the mind works/psychology/etc but most likely you are not taking into account all the times you've thought you've seen your line twitch and when you set there was nothing on the end. This time there just happened to be a dace. I'm not saying this to diminish your fishing skills, but i see this type of thinking on a daily basis. Selective memory I think is the term for it.

Jason,

I can see the point that you are trying to make. Like I've said I'm no top level fly fisherman, but I will say kindly don't underestimate me or any other one with a psychology-mind work study project. Believe I spend allot of time in trees or stuck on rocks. Most of the times when I first started nymphing it was knee jerk reaction to a line stop. I kept fishing and trying to learn more and it is at the point that I wished happened more often than not that the world justs shuts down around me except for the stream, the current and my line.

When things are quiet and I see the line twirl and sink and grab the bottom but there is a spark that says "set" fish.

It doesn't start out that way. First you have to set on everything. You have to to get over the fact that you know the difference between fish or a rock or subsurface branch and "Yes" I still set on them sometimes too. What I will say it there are a few moments that happen that you just feel everything fall all together. And "yes" you can set on a wisp of a fish on purpose and that is where I am.

I would say most often than not, deep heavy brown water would be the biggest challenge. So I agree as far as nymphing the tiny fish would not equate to much success worth boasting. To be someone who can focus thru torrents would be a better topic for the whole how a mind can focus, why some swim and bob like Thingamibobbers in their waders and cross strong currents, when the rest of head to our cars. I'm a head to my car sort of girl, so I'll be happy with my tiny fish. Very good point though. I definitely started out that way. I have poor launched creek chubs to prove it.

I don't know the depths to each persons passions on this site but I have a huge respect for those that branch out from the one way to fish policy. I'd love to learn them all and some aspects are just harder for me but that's OK. I do not consider any of them boring.

Posted on: 2010/10/30 13:49


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2009/4/1 21:52
From Johnstown, PA
Posts: 4460
Offline
Wetnet.........That "Spark" you refer to that happens that tells you fish! set! has been referred to in print in a variety of manners but a good one is that "little brown wink" i don't remember who wrote that but i always remember that phrase , it might have been Chauncy Lively. Another writer whose name i also can't remember , duh , in the book "Halcyon days" refers to the act of knowing when to strike on a sunken fly as akin to ESP and he even goes so far as saying the mind can kind of put the fish there when you strike , like telekonesis , he even talks about being "in the zone" and talks about LSD trip like awareness of when to strike the sunken fly , and it goes on and on with all fishers pretty much coming to agreement in the end that it's like your "SPARK" , my "Little brown wink" , a feel and just a feeling of when. One of these times soon you'll get the feeling and strike and it's not gonna be a dace on the other end believe me.

Posted on: 2010/10/30 14:40


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2008/3/20 22:15
Posts: 1789
Offline
The Dace was not my first spark, it was the first one that I knew was true, after 2nd guessing myself a bunch of times before. But I'm not consistent, You just can't hit the stream to fish like that if your me. I'm lucky to fall into that place and I'm a bit moody..No one would ever have guessed it? I know the brown wink and when it's good it makes me want to learn more. but not as much as I do when I just plan stink. So I'll keep going at.

A Little Brown Wink to you. Thanks! There isn't a smiley face that fits.

Posted on: 2010/10/30 15:52


Re: Strike Indicator

Joined:
2009/4/1 21:52
From Johnstown, PA
Posts: 4460
Offline
There was once what i thought was a "spark/wink" and i struck only to realize i was stuck , there was a submerged log there and dang i was sure i snagged it and would probably have to break the fly off..........then the log started thumping and slowly moving upstream , the log turned out to be a 19" rainbow , which from around here isn't too bad , i really did think i was stuck and i actually tugged a few times in different directions to see if i could get loose before the log started thumping and moving lol....thanks for lettin me remember that one.

Posted on: 2010/10/31 10:28



« 1 ... 4 5 6 (7)



You can view topic.
You cannot start a new topic.
You cannot reply to posts.
You cannot edit your posts.
You cannot delete your posts.
You cannot add new polls.
You cannot vote in polls.
You cannot attach files to posts.
You cannot post without approval.

[Advanced Search]





Site Content
Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!
Stay Connected

twitterfeed.com facebook instagram RSS Feed

Sponsors
Polls





Copyright 2014 by PaFlyFish.com | Privacy Policy| Provided by Kile Media Group | Design by 7dana.com