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Re: Native Brookies-Nothing Personal...

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Posted on: 2011/6/27 22:43
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Re: Native Brookies-Nothing Personal...

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Pcray has given great advice. I will just add my two cents that I think stealth is by far the most important thing to concern yourself with. If you can get a fly to them before they know you're there you are golden.

My personal small stream favorite is the Skilton quick-sight ant size 16 and up to pick out the bigger fish or size 18 if you wanna get the dinks too. floats high and has a white dot on the front which makes it really easy for you to see. Even works on the pickiest browns. And if you tie at all, it's just a piece of foam with a bit of hackle wrapped around the middle, very simple.

Personally I would concentrate on the fast water. If you can sneak up on some fast water from upstream, you can flick the ant downstream into the current and if it doesn't get hit on the way down, you can slowly skid it back up through the same spots and use the current to swing it right up against rocks that a nice trout could be hiding under. Sometimes in the fast water they just don't see it the first time through. If you can make this kind of approach without being seen you can give yourself as many chances for them to see it as you like with only one cast. In this situation the white dot really helps you keep track of where the fly is. I've caught 7" brookies from fast water less than 6" deep doing this.

Speaking of video. I have quite a few video clips of me fishing for brookies. I'll look to see if any might be helpful and if so I'll get them to you in a PM.

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PSUFishMenace wrote:

Personally I would concentrate on the fast water.


I don't fish over a ton of wild trout but I would 2nd this too. There have been a couple times that I was fishing small streams (with wild browns) and it was getting later into the summer. The water was lower and clear making stealth imperative. I was so fixated on fishing the slow pools with dries that I didn't keep my mind open to a strategy change. Both times, the person I was with caught fish out of the fast broken water and all I did was put down every pool as soon as I stuck my head up over the bank.

This May, while everything was blown out, I walked a brookie stream in SWPA that looked unfishable because of the high flows. I tied on a large tungsten head black bugger and flipped it into the torrent. Sure enough, within seconds, a brook hit it.

I guess what I'm saying is its good to have a plan with these spooky fish but keep an open mind on how you approach them. They're addicting.

Posted on: 2011/6/28 8:23


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If you can get a fly to them before they know you're there you are golden.


Nuff said.....

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Gaeron, here's one clip I have, this will give you an idea of how easily you can spook natives. This is the smallest stream I have seen trout in, I was crawling on all fours holding the camera in front of me, you can see once my head popped around that plant he took off. Watch in HD if you can, kinda hard to pick out the trout before it moves in normal quality.


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Awsome video! The only times I ever see a brookie is either when I catch one or when I spook one and I see it dart away

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Thanks guys. I think I am going to have to take another trip back there. This time I'll probably nymph, and be sure to be stealthy and look for fish. Thanks,

Gaeron

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PSUFishMenace, that is a neat little video clip! Actually, I thought the brookie was pretty easy to see. A great depiction of their spookyness. Thanks.

Posted on: 2011/7/4 8:36
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Hey. I know a bunch of you fish for natives. I, on the other hand, haven't even fished for a wild, let alone a native. I don't really have an idea of what I am getting into. I have my suspicions about 1 little stream, so I am not going to ask you for locations (I wouldn't anyway). Here's the Q: What do you guys normally fish? Dries? Nymphs? Streamers? And in what sizes...Thanks a bunch

Gaeron


Fishing for native brookies, I use dry flies most of the time. Most of these are small forested streams, such as you find in state forests and gamelands.

You walk upstream and cast dry flies up into likely pockets and pools, and keep moving covering a lot of distance.

When the water is cold, often they won't hit dries, so that's when you go to subsurface flies, such as nymphs and streamers.

But in the summer, they'll usually hit dries.

The first thing is to find a stream that actually holds brookies of course. Some areas of the state have brookies in nearly every small forested stream. In other parts of the state, there are large areas with no brookies at all.

A while back a guy on here from the Pittsburgh area was just trying one small stream after another near Pittsburgh, hoping to find wild trout in places where they just don't exist. Don't do that.

Step 1: Find a stream that has actually supports native brookies.
Step 2: Throw a dry fly (such as a #14 parachute adams or a beetle pattern) and catch them.

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As for your step 1. I am not asking for locations, because that is just not right. I am asking how you come about the locations? Is there a book or something? Thanks,

Gaeron

Posted on: 2011/7/4 10:38


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there is a list on pfbcs site with class a streams... i would start there. If none are in the county you prefer to fish and do not want to travel, then you could look at the natural reproduction list, but this can be tiring, as to be classified as a stream with natural repro, all you need in a shock survey is one wild fish.

I would fish some class a's... no matter where you live in this state, an hours drive will put you on a class a.

Posted on: 2011/7/4 13:06
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I thank the lord that my favorite wild brook stream is classified as a 'b'...

it fishes better and bigger fish than most a's.

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As for your step 1. I am not asking for locations, because that is just not right. I am asking how you come about the locations? Is there a book or something? Thanks,

Gaeron


I don't know what part of the state you're located in. Things are very different in different parts of the state.

But as other people said the PFBC website shows Class A streams, wilderness streams, and the natural reproduction list, and these shows thousands of wild trout streams. Streams do not have to be Class A to provide good fishing.

Good brookie fishing is usually found in areas where the watershed is predominately forested. Such as state forests and game lands.



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Gaeron,
I'll second the suggestion that you go to the PFBC website and check the Class A and Wilderness lists (type these into the search box on the site):

www.fish.state.ps.us

There are plenty in your neck of the woods. As for the Natural Reproduction list, this one's tougher since the list includes the entire stream even though natural repro is usually found only in the headwaters. The biologists need only find two trout, one of which must be a young of the year fingerling. Also, this list lists the stream by county using the county where the mouth of the stream is located. So you might have a stream in Centre County that you suspect has wild trout but if the stream's mouth is in Clinton Co then the stream will be listed in Clinton, not Centre. This had me confused. Good luck with your brookie hunting.
Dave

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Wow that is a GREAT video. Good job!

Posted on: 2011/7/7 4:44



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