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Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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Fished on Sunday, form 1-3 p.m. Fished the upper regs. section, nymphing only. Didn't see any risers and only one other fisherman. 1 nice hook jaw brownie landed and one rainbow lost on a long release. the brownie bit a #16 prince. Water was at a nice flow. All in all a real nice day to be out. BTW only could spot 1 fish in the run............what happen to all those fish?

Posted on: 2010/12/20 20:57


Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10
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Thanks for the report.

The topic of the run and its recent lack of fish has generated some discussion here on the board.

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newb ... id=126186#forumpost126186

I don't know why the run doesn't hold fish like it used to. I have a theory that it may be connected to the drawdown of the lake recently - but I really don't know. We've tried stocking and the fish just don't hold in the run like they used to.

Posted on: 2010/12/21 8:58


Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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It's a darn shame what happened to the run. I know a lot of the older guys, that can't fish the main stream anymore, use to rely on fishing there.

Fishidiot, might have a good Idea there. I do know there's a lot of poching goes on there, which might be one of the reasons. I hope they figure it out soon... Im getting to be one of those old guys myself!

PaulG

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Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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I was there in November and noticed the same thing. I used to see a lot of fish in the run and did not see any there in November

Posted on: 2010/12/21 11:00


Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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Biggie,
Believe the club will be stocking in early January, not sure if they put any in the run.
Also , heard from a couple locals that the runs below the lake and above the bridge at Little Buffalo still had some nice fish as late as October, that’s real close to you.

Buffalo

Posted on: 2010/12/21 15:17


Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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I live right over the hill from Little Buffalo....Will have to check that out

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Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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Buffalo and RonB, if the Lil Buff doesn't freeze over, it's not bad fishing above the bridge all winter. But don't tell anyone! :)

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Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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The smorgasboard of food disappeared in the run and so did the fish.

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Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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Biggie,
You graduated a year ahead of me in high school. Never knew you were into fly fishing.......

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Quote:

Fishidiot wrote:
Thanks for the report.

The topic of the run and its recent lack of fish has generated some discussion here on the board.

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newb ... id=126186#forumpost126186

I don't know why the run doesn't hold fish like it used to. I have a theory that it may be connected to the drawdown of the lake recently - but I really don't know. We've tried stocking and the fish just don't hold in the run like they used to.


What's the theory? We like theories!

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Re: Yellow Breeches, Cumberland Co. 12/19/10

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Ron B and Biggie,

When did you guys graduate...Newport river Rat here myself...I may be old by your standards...graduated in 84...

Boss

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What's the theory? We like theories!


Well, as you know, "the Run" had always held a staggering number of fish - and year round. I suppose about two or three years ago I started seeing fewer fish. Then when they drew the lake down to fix the spillway the fish all but disappeared (except for a handful). My theory is that the lake had produced a massive influx of nutrients creating an unnaturally high trout population not unlike the Big Spring "Ditch" back in the hatchery days. Since the lake has re-filled, the weed growth returned very quickly and I'd hoped the trout would come back, especially after the recent warm summer. However, this has not been the case. I don't know if the macros bounced back in the lake as quick as the weeds. I've been meaning to do some weed pulling and unscientific bug checks of Children's Lake - just haven't got around to it. If the chironomids and scuds haven't returned than perhaps we should give the trout more time. If on the other hand the bugs are back and the trout haven't returned....then I don't know. Sure there's been poaching but there's always been poaching in the Run. Some folks a awhile ago blamed a pair of eagles for eating all the fish but I now think with as much time as has passed that that theory can be scrapped. And of course I'd noted a decline in fish before they drew down the lake.
I don't know. It's disappointing and a bit of a blow to the local economy as the Run has long attracted out of state anglers.

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I recommend that you contact the PFBC and/or DEP and have them check it out.

If the spillway has been altered, could it be that there is now less oxygenation of the water as it flows out of the lake? And if there is less water in the lake because it's drawn down, maybe the oxygen is getting sucked out by rotting vegetation in the lake?

Maybe the springs feeding the lake have got polluted by something. Stranger things have happened.

I'd get the pros on the case.

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The newly re-built spillway is - I think - better than the previous version in that it actually sends more water down into the Run rather then the other outflow by the pool. If anything, oxygen levels should be better.

I stopped there today while doing some last minute shopping. I didn't have enough time to put on my waders and get weeds out of the lake but I did pull some weeds and rocks outa the Run itself: There's food there - plenty of scuds and not just pollution tolerants- there were some caddis and mayfly nymphs too. I don't get it. It's apparently not a food issue although I still think there may be a different water chemistry and change in nutrient load might be a factor. I saw a couple trout in the plunge pool below the culvert and a rainbow down by the footbridge - otherwise no trout. Mine was the only car there. In the past, even on a cold winter weekday, there would be at least a couple guys fishing.

Some folks think the problem is habitat. I'm skeptical as the form of the Run hasn't changed much in the last 20+ years. There is a plan to do some habitat improvement later this year.

Posted on: 2010/12/23 16:41


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boss_steb,
You would be young by our standards. I graduated in 70

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