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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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Just got done fishing logan branch for 2 hours. cloudy skies, drizzle, again and saw a good number of fish, saw a few around the 15" mark. Missed 1 on a weenie and that was it. Tryed the dry techniques on the banks but they were just so spooky. Tried a bugger but they flicked me the bird cause it had a beadhead on it... Damn these are some tough fish

Posted on: 2013/11/2 18:51
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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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That's right Mike, I remember too... it used to be quite known back then to harbour big fish. When I was going to school there, I fished LB quite a few times -- when I could bum a car off my roommate. Caught a couple near/over 20" I lost one brownie on a sulphur dun in May of 81 that was easily 24" -- the biggest trout I've ever hooked on a dry.

I'd love to see the PFBC shock it again... just out of curiosity.

Posted on: 2013/11/3 8:32
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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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I've not fished Logan a lot, but my only successful pattern was midges pupas (22-26 size) fished below the surface with a small split shot.

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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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When's the last time it was shocked?

Posted on: 2013/11/4 12:28
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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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I wonder how many of the really big fish in Logan Branch in the past were coming out of the hatchery.

Now the effluent goes into a sedimentation pond and through filtration etc. before going into the stream.

In the old days it was more of a "straight through" type of system, and probably a lot more "leaky" in regard to trout escaping.

I think the same may be true of some other hatcheries.

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I wonder how many of the really big fish in Logan Branch in the past were coming out of the hatchery.

Now the effluent goes into a sedimentation pond and through filtration etc. before going into the stream.

In the old days it was more of a "straight through" type of system, and probably a lot more "leaky" in regard to trout escaping.

I think the same may be true of some other hatcheries.


Good point, troutbert. My gut says nearly all the very large fish were from the hatchery. This small limestoner was certainly fertile enough to sustain their size, but I have my doubts if a small stream could grow the NUMBERS of big fish this one reportedly had back in the 70s and 80s.

Posted on: 2013/11/5 9:21
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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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Hardly, and those that are most likely to escape are the smaller fish. Furthermore, electrofishing Logan Branch on a number of occasions only revealed substantial escapement one time, and those fish were small, barely legal RT. What apparently continues to not be recognized by otherwise knowledgable anglers is that Logan Branch had ideal large brown trout habitat in great quantity under the higher flow conditions in those years, a rare condition on Pa except for short stretches of stream, such as the Rt 322 narrows in Kish Ck. Additionally, it had an ideal, large forage base, with the most dense population of large sculpins that I have ever seen. Finally, it was heavily fished as a result of the stocking program and it was by no means a C&R stream. As a positive result, there was not an oversupply of stockpiling small fish tying up the biomass that could have become larger fish biomass in those ideal large fish habitat conditions. Finally, Logan Branch was a direct contradiction to everything professed as sacred by the C&R crowd, the no stocking over wild trout crowd ( due to the damage that would be caused to the wild trout population), and the group that dislikes the harvest of large trout, ignoring the nuances of high productivity and ideal habitat.

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Edited by Mike on 2013/11/5 14:15:31
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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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"The higher flow conditions in those years."

What happened to the flow?

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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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It diminished.

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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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Additionally, it had an ideal, large forage base, with the most dense population of large sculpins that I have ever see


That is no joke. It's crazy how many sculpins are in there.

As for the flows, I have always felt that the growth of the state college area has impacted the aquifers. Just look at slab cabin run and try to imagine it next to the stories from George Harvey about that stream.

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I'm convinced that there's a connection (in addition to habitat) between dense sculpin populations and large numbers of large trout. This is particularly true in the Cumberland Valley. Sculpins exist in large numbers - really eye opening to see how many come out from every weed clump when electrofishing - and they can be eaten like candy all year round and are probably high in fat and protein. It's just a theory of mine......but I think it's true.

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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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Mike wrote:
It diminished.


Best post ever!

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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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Mike wrote:
It diminished.


Best post ever!


It was better before he edited it.

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Re: Logan Branch - Centre County 10-25-13

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The base flow was diminished by limestone quarry operations.

In order to quarry deeper they pump the groundwater level down, which reduces the storage of water in the aquifer that maintains base flow.

Similar problems exist at some other quarry operations around PA. Those who know about Bushkill Creek in Easton are familiar with this.


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Pump it to where?

Posted on: 2013/11/6 20:51
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