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Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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I prefer olive, but also carry gray, tan, and pink.

Posted on: 2009/12/1 10:24


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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I use tan and grey mostly. I thin I have better luck with the tan ones on the little lehigh. Also, I usually fish this fly behind a PT, but in the spring I get alot of takes on Zug Bugs

Posted on: 2009/12/1 11:14


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24
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jayL wrote:
I prefer olive, but also carry gray, tan, and pink.



I agree with Jay's & Surveyor's choices. Although, I really don't believe the exact color makes much of a difference (as with most hatches). With scuds, I think more in terms of lighter and darker colors. Darker olive is what I use most but a carry a lighter olive/tan color and also pink. When I fish a new stream, I turn over some rocks and/or check some underwater vegetation and match what I see.

I also tie some with a strand or two of Crystal Flash tied over the back to add a little sparkle. Sometimes that's what it takes.

BTW, my scud pattern is very simple. Coarse natural dubbing containing some guard hairs, dubbed on a scud hook. I just use a thin strip of plastic bag for the overlay on the back and fine black wire or thread for the ribbing. I pick out the guard hairs on the bottom and sides for legs. That's it!

One other important thing, wrapping lead wire on the shank of a curved scud hook causes it to flip upside down in the water - not a good thing. Either tie it unweighted and use split shot to fish it, or build up some thread in the center of the shank and tie the wire in underneath. The weight must remain at or below the centerline of the hook to keep it upright.

In limestone / Spring creeks, scuds are present 365 days a year. I nearly always choose a scud as one of my flies when nymphing.

Posted on: 2009/12/1 15:58


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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Another simple, yet deadly pattern is the ray charles.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/alcampbell/ac022304.php

Posted on: 2009/12/1 16:52


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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Right on the mark :) Were you in Mainstream when I was talking to Andy??? And yes, my wife is still wondering where it went!

What's the most productive size Scud on the LL? I've seen many in the 18 range under rocks, but I also seem to do well with a little larger sz 16? Anyone fish or tie them as small as 20-22?




Yeah I was the one that swapped you a cig for that hard as scud.

Last spring I was fishing size #20 and #22's with success. I use the orvis spectrablend dubbing. Gray/olive, Olive/brown, and tan. I can't say it was necessary to go that small though.

I have never caught a fish on anything bigger than a #16 hook.

I have trouble keeping porportions in check when I tie #12 and #14's

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Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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Wow --- with the 20-22's do you still use scud back/ribbing? I had a tough time even with the 18s ....

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Wow --- with the 20-22's do you still use scud back/ribbing? I had a tough time even with the 18s ....



blf,

You can use a small scud back on size 18-20 hooks, but an easy way is to cut the dubbing flat on the back and brush a LITTLE bit of Sally Hansen's HAN or something similar. I always use ribbing for scuds, it helps shape the body. In this case just rib over the dubbing, trim, and apply HAN. HTH.

Posted on: 2009/12/5 11:55


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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Ok --- ill give it a try. Since this thread is becoming a 'scud" discussion - how many ribs do u guys use.... I've brought a few scuds home with me in a small clear container to look at ....so many segments. Do you guys go the suggestive rout with 5 or so ribs or do you really try to make it exact? I figure for a close to exact copy, I'd have to use some 10-12 x varivas!! For my 16's I use 10/0 mono thread.

I thought the HAN would just soak right into the dubbing. I love the Whitlock SLF stuff personally. So you dub, rib THEN HAN or dub, HAN then rib while its still drying?

Posted on: 2009/12/6 11:20


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I complete the fly, ribbing and all, trim it flat on top and apply HAN. Actually I have two bottles of HAN. One is is thicker than the other, I use the thicker one for coating things. After it dries, I pick out the dubbing on the sides and belly to represent legs and gills. This is also a good method for tying cress bugs which just consists of mess of oval shaped dubbing flattened on top and coated with SH.

As far as the number of ribs, I've seen actual discussions on FF forums about this, and I think to myself "are these guys for real?" If the fish can count the number of ribs a mm or two apart, we're all in touble, and can never hope to fool a fish. Just rib it so it looks "right".

Posted on: 2009/12/7 8:37


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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As I've been told, five is the number of ribs, no more, no less. Five shall be the number of ribs you turn, the number of ribbing shall be five. Six shall not count, nor will four, excepting thou procedest to five. Seven is right out. Once the number five has been reached, being the fifth turn, then thou lobbest thy scud at your foe...

Seriously, though, I've been told that five turns is "traditional," but that it doesn't really matter how many you do as long as they're even and not crowded.

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Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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yeah - i've been told "5" is the golden rule too - but just make it look right - trout don't count.

And as for the other questions - i mix olive and grey dubbing to make my own "scud mix" and do them in size 16 and 18.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 10:29
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Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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I like to use 7 ribs. It distracts the fish from the giant pointed metal rod sticking out of the scud's rear end.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 10:42


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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Only the "educated" fish can count to 7, Jay.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 22:42


Re: Little Lehigh 11/24

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I use tan swiss straw over the back (yes down to size #22) and rib mine but only 4 times with thin silver wire.
I predominently fish this scud in faster water to create self doubt in the fish as to their mathematic abilities.

For all other areas of the stream I use 5 ribs.

Posted on: 2009/12/10 15:26
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