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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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Yeah, if it's orange or yellow, it's a golden rainbow.

If it's a palomino, you should hop on your unicorn and ride it back home, because you're probably developing a fever.



If they don't stock em, they aren't gonna be there.

To your actual question, I'm not sure exactly what a palomino even is. I'm assuming they're similar to the golden rainbow, which is just a genetic mutation AFAIK.

Posted on: 2009/2/17 23:27


Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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Hey Mute,
I knew you just wanted to see some pictures...fyi here is what the PFBC has to say about goldens vs palominos.

http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/pages/qa/fish/trout_golden.htm

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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So according to Edmo's link, the PFBC says Golden Rainbow is (roughly) a pure bred mutant while a Palamino is (roughly) a 50-50 hybrid of a Golden Rainbow and a Regular Rainbow.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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From the size of the fish in the picture (not familiar with the stream) is it possible that this is a "natural" golden rainbow? I thought all golden's stocked by the commish were large.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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No, definitely not. I've caught a few of them that size. Many of them are stocked by clubs, if not the commission. I have friends that do club stockings in the stream multiple times per year.

I also highly doubt that there is natural reproduction of rainbow trout in french creek.

Posted on: 2009/2/18 13:15


Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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ryguyfi wrote:
From the size of the fish in the picture (not familiar with the stream) is it possible that this is a "natural" golden rainbow?


Only if it was taken 40-some years ago in west virginia...They do stock large ones but I've seen little ones too.

Posted on: 2009/2/18 16:32


Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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ryguyfi wrote:
From the size of the fish in the picture (not familiar with the stream) is it possible that this is a "natural" golden rainbow?


Only if it was taken 40-some years ago in west virginia...They do stock large ones but I've seen little ones too.


I know there are many more native brookies and browns that rainbows, but I'm sure there would be an odd chance that a native golden rainbow could happen. I've never seen or heard of one but I'm sure that it could be close to the chance of an albino white tail deer.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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Albinism is inherited, a recessive trait that shows itself occasionally. The golden rainbows that were found in WV that became the source to the stocked strain were an actual mutation. They were all that way.

The PFBC also says that Golden Rainbows are used exclusively for production and that only Palaminos get stocked.

So I guess while its possible that a Palamino and another Rainbow could have reproduced, knowing that the odds of any rainbows reproducing is extremely rare, I think the odds are on my side of being correct in saying that is not a wild fish.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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Albinism is inherited, a recessive trait that shows itself occasionally. The golden rainbows that were found in WV that became the source to the stocked strain were an actual mutation. They were all that way.

The PFBC also says that Golden Rainbows are used exclusively for production and that only Palaminos get stocked.

So I guess while its possible that a Palamino and another Rainbow could have reproduced, knowing that the odds of any rainbows reproducing is extremely rare, I think the odds are on my side of being correct in saying that is not a wild fish.


Hey Tom,
I think you may have it backwards. The PFBC stocks golden rainbows not palominos. If the golden rainbows then reproduce with a normally colored rainbow then the offspring will be what is called a palomino. At least that is what I gathered from reading the info on the link I posted earlier.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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quote from the PFBC web site:

"In Pennsylvania, the rise of the palomino rainbow trout stemmed from obtaining fertilized golden rainbow trout eggs from West Virginia. Subsequently, when these golden rainbow trout reached maturity, they were crossed with normally pigmented rainbow trout and the offspring resulted in the development of the palomino rainbow trout. The initial stockings of palomino rainbow trout in Pennsylvania waters occurred during the 1967 season. At present, however, due to their more brilliant coloration, we use golden rainbow trout exclusively for production purposes rather than the lighter palomino rainbow trout."

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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PFBC website quote:
"The orangish trout stocked by the Commission are accurately called "golden rainbow trout."

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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So is the information on the site contradictory, or does it say that they once only stocked palaminos and now only stock goldens?

So where are all the guys who claim they can tell a wild fish by looking at fin and tail condition and such. I would be willing to admit its possible if that info were placed into the equation and if there is evidence of other rainbows reproducing in the stream. Par marks might sway me as well. I can be patient.

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It may not be crystal clear, but I think they are saying that they used to play around crossing the "golden rainbow" back with rainbows, but now they no longer cross them and only produce "pure" golden rainbows.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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that's what I got from it.

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Re: French Creek 2-14-09

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so could this fish be wild?

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