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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Well I have heard rumors that bass we stocked this year in the lake by some sportsmans clubs.
Either way it doesn't really matter. The bass have migrated the entire way up to old mill road. That's pretty darn far and through the entire system.
I don't know why, I don't know who's exact fish they are but they are there and yes they have caused a pretty good amount of damage to the wild trout population. I do excpect them to leave eventually and hopefully they do not comeback. I also expect the trout population to recover fully in about 5-6 years. I just hope this wasn't the doorway the wild browns needed to really get a good hold on the creek.

Mans best intentions are rarely what the planet intended.....

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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I'm with Sal and 'Squatch on this one. I walked a section of the upper Hammer the other day and saw very few wild trout. The trout that I did spot were fairly decent size fish, most of them being Browns and hanging together in groups. I only saw one fish that I definitely could tell was a Brookie and it was a good one too. I also think the one fish I spotted was a stocked rainbow from earlier in the year.

One area I walked was an area that is generally full of rising fish this time of year (the majority always being wild trout). I couldn't even spot a trout and saw no rises in that particular stretch. The only fish I saw were some 9-12" Largemouth Bass cruising around. They seem to be hanging together in groups of 4-6 fish. We may have seen the best of the native brook trout population as I am thinking that when the wild trout do rebound it will probably be predominantly Brown trout.

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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It's a dang shame is what it is.

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Are you saying that you think there are more BT than ST? What makes you think that BT will so quickly replace the existing ST population? Have you seen that occurring in Hammer in the past three years? Are you taking into account the contributions of the tribs, almost all of which are ST streams? How many trout are in the groups of BT?

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Are you saying that you think there are more BT than ST? What makes you think that BT will so quickly replace the existing ST population? Have you seen that occurring in Hammer in the past three years? Are you taking into account the contributions of the tribs, almost all of which are ST streams? How many trout are in the groups of BT?


I cannot speak for dc410 and wont, but here is my insight:

As far as my catch rates, since the bass, yes there are more brown trout. Which by all accounts i think holds weight since i have fished it a good bit since the bass and brown trout are harder to catch than brook trout.

What makes me think the brown trout will replace the brook trout quickly is because the bass are eating the brook trout for sure. Brook trout and brown trout spawn at around the same time in Hammer. The brown trout being slightly larger will have an advantage in both avoiding the bass and taking prime spawn lies.

No i have not seen this occurring in Hammer the past 3 years. Then again, I haven't seen bass in there until this year.

You mean the tribs that have been highly impacted by Lee and Ivan, who have in turn also suffered a major blow to their populations?
I would think their contributions to be negligible at best anymore. Even still if one entered the creek now, im sure it would be eaten in a week.

I dont know how many are in the groups of BT. Even still that is not typical wild trout behavior on Hammer by any means.

My advice is shock it and proves us wrong.
Take the bass with you when you do it.

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Nature's resiliency will prevail.

Posted on: 7/8 21:40


Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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I honestly have not fished Hammer much this year since the bass have shown up. My above post was in reference to some drastic differences that I observed while walking a portion of the stream recently.

However, I had fished it a good bit in the previous four seasons. I have not noticed any differences in the percentage of species I've caught in Hammer over the past 3-4 years. My catch rate has been consistently about 80%-Brook trout, 20%-Brown trout during 2013, 2014, 2015 & 2016. The BT always maintained an average larger size than the ST.

The groups of wild BT that I observed recently were approx. 4-5 fish which I thought was definitely not normal for wild brown trout. These fish generally would be spread out over a much larger area and each one would be occupying a prime lie based on their dominant size. I guess what really stood out as a concern to me was the total lack of younger age class trout that would normally have been observed throughout these areas and just were no where to be found. I imagine that some younger trout could have been holed up in more secluded areas of cover in an attempt to stay hidden from the groups of cruising Largemouth Bass. These are all very unscientific observations but definitely enough to raise a concern on my part for the potential future of the Brook Trout population.

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Natures resiliency doesn't account for unnatural situations like 2 stocked invasive species in that creek.
Time will tell but I think at this point is pretty obvious this whole fiasco was not kind to the brook trout.

DC,
My time fishing it this year, after the bass, has turned up 0 juvenile brook trout. Before in the fall and winter, it was loaded with them.
Your unscientific observations are very close to the truth.




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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Which access point are you gentlemen using that have a higher concentration of bass? I would be more than happy to put a few in a frying pan.

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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In my obersvations they are from the PA turnpike upstream to the tributary off Old Mill Road (including in the trib). Unfortunately some of those areas are not open to fishing.
I saw several as in 20-30 in the section closed to fishing from 322 to Speedwell Forge Road.
Under the bridge at Speedwell Forge Road has a group.
Basically any of the slower deep water has them.
Enjoy! I've harvested a bunch myself.

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Thanks sal. Those areas are very local so I will do my part and target a few bass. Do streamer patterns work best for bass on the hammer?

Posted on: 7/11 13:29


Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Thanks sal. Those areas are very local so I will do my part and target a few bass. Do streamer patterns work best for bass on the hammer?


You may want to try a Little Brook Trout Streamer!

Posted on: 7/11 20:05


Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Some of you guys may be interested in this group Sal is initiating (for real, by the way...)

https://www.facebook.com/TUHCWA/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

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Re: Speedwell Forge Lake: refilled last yr, fairly good bass fishing already

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Thanks Squatch!

I'll admit this non profit tax stuff is rather daunting. I do believe Iam going to hire a professional to help with this. We will get it off the ground and there are many good things already scheduled for this Watershed thanks to DTU!
Natures resilienacy will prevail because WE are going to make sure it does.

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