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Re: That Side Arm Cast

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going back to what PatrickC said im not sure what this is called but in a quicker riffle as I bring my flies up I can feel the load from the current and almost pluck my rig and it just flings upstream and back down into the riffle is that called flipping?

Posted on: 2013/4/24 19:59


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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Just about everytime out I use the side arm cast to avoid catching trees instead of casting over hand.

Posted on: 2013/4/24 20:30
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Re: That Side Arm Cast

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StarvinMarvin wrote:
going back to what PatrickC said im not sure what this is called but in a quicker riffle as I bring my flies up I can feel the load from the current and almost pluck my rig and it just flings upstream and back down into the riffle is that called flipping?


Yes sir. Right before the end of the fly line breaks the surface tension (down stream of course), rotate your reel parallel to the stream and pop that line. Point your rod tip right to where you want it to go with that quick twitch or pop (or whatever you want to call it) and your line will drop right where you point. So much more efficient when nymphing or indie fishing than making that overhead cast each time. You'll be much less tired at the end of the day.

BTW, it's that same feeling of the line surface tension (and understanding it) that will also allow you to be come very efficient with roll casting. And that will also greatly assist you if you start wanting to spey cast a little.

Posted on: 2013/4/24 20:51
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Re: That Side Arm Cast

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Side arm also makes it a lot easier to make a curve cast - either over or under power the cast.

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Re: That Side Arm Cast

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ya, that's what I thought you meant thanks for the help !

Posted on: 2013/4/25 0:29


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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For those of you who have ever taken formal casting classes, did they ever include a segment on small stream casting, i.e. casting where there are obstacles, such as tree limbs overhead, or behind you?



I took a class from Joe Humphreys and that was the focus of most of the class. Fist thing he had us do was kneel down and start casting overhead and then rotate the cast to the sides until we were casting next to the ground on either side. Quite a challenge cross body. He called it "casting around the arc." My formal casting stroke is laughable, but I use the tricks I learned in that class every time I fish and have never felt handicapped by my inability to cast a full fly line in a perfect vertical plane. I also have never felt that I couldn't make a cast because I'm not supposed to do X.
Mike.

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I assume you make a lot of side arm casts on small streams because the open space left to right is greater than the open space up to down. Shoot some line and it works. The open space up to down may be just a few feet, or even less. 25 foot cast under a two foot high branch 20 ft away.

Posted on: 2013/4/25 6:28


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troutbert wrote:
For those of you who have ever taken formal casting classes, did they ever include a segment on small stream casting, i.e. casting where there are obstacles, such as tree limbs overhead, or behind you?



I took a class from Joe Humphreys and that was the focus of most of the class. Fist thing he had us do was kneel down and start casting overhead and then rotate the cast to the sides until we were casting next to the ground on either side. Quite a challenge cross body. He called it "casting around the arc." My formal casting stroke is laughable, but I use the tricks I learned in that class every time I fish and have never felt handicapped by my inability to cast a full fly line in a perfect vertical plane. I also have never felt that I couldn't make a cast because I'm not supposed to do X.
Mike.


Joe H is right (of course). You can and should be able to cast with your rod at any angle in a 180* arc. Casting principles are the same at any angle - move the tip in a straight line and accelerate to a stop. Many great casters, Lefty Kreh and Ed Jaworski come to mind, use and teach a side-arm casting stroke.

Posted on: 2013/4/25 7:57


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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went through some of my on-stream fishing images from small PA brookie streams.. low branches everywhere. often much more horizontal than vertical casting space, frequently twice as much.

sidearm may be less accurate, but you dont need a perfect cast... just get the fly nearby without too much leader drag and the brookies will sometimes move to it.


Posted on: 2013/4/25 9:40


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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I'm not experienced enough to comment but I did find an Orvis article on the subject:

"Sidearm fly casting has limited applications because it is inherently inaccurate and difficult to keep the backcast out of the fauna. It will, however, allow you to fly fish in windy situations that would collapse your overhead cast, and it is great for casting a fly under branches overhanging the river.
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Here's the full write up:

Practice Sidearm Casting to Improve Your Casting and Your Fly Fishing.

Posted on: 2013/4/27 17:51


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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Just about everytime out I use the side arm cast to avoid catching trees instead of casting over hand.


this.

I NEVER ever overhead cast, even for stripers. i watched a demo with Bernard Kreh and he sidecasts pretty much 100%.

from an energy point of view the overhead cast is not as effective at generating line speed as the side arm cast, where you are using your body as a fulcrum to put leverage on the arc of the rod.

without a side cast,how does this plank expect us to reach, pile or tuck cast ?

an example of the blind leading the blind me thinks.


Posted on: 2013/4/27 18:25


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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I'm not experienced enough to comment but I did find an Orvis article on the subject:

"Sidearm fly casting has limited applications because it is inherently inaccurate and difficult to keep the backcast out of the fauna.
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Fauna?

Fauna is the animal life of an area. Be careful not to hooking passing deer, bears, etc.

Posted on: 2013/4/27 18:48


Re: That Side Arm Cast

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This guy who degraded the side arm cast clearly hasn't spent much time in Pennsylvania.... He sounds like on of those "By The Book" idiots. For example; the casting that works in Montana doesn't work here and the casting that works here doesn't work in Montana (for the most part). My point is that there are many, many, many schools of Fly-Fishing and they all have their own unique tactics.

Posted on: 2013/4/28 12:28
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