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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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Apropos of nothing, before the arrival of Europeans, Michigan had no brook trout below the Upper Peninisula. The Lower Peninsula did have grayling however.

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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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The part about the brook trout depends on what source you are reading and is likely NOT true.

They they were native to Lake Erie watershed as well as Superior, so why wouldn't they also be in St. Clair and Huron?

Fruthermore, some sources have them as native throughout the great lakes, others (mostly maps) for some reason show Michigan's lower peninsula as not part of their original range when it likely was. For example, the map on the TU website excluded Michigan, but shows that the Canadian side had them. That would be an amazing trick, don't you think? The streams are different on the Michigan side, and they were likely not common, but I'd find it hard to believe there were none.


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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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CLSports wrote:
I just read that book about a month ago. Good read. Not long. It was free on my Kindle for Amazon Prime members too.

Since I never read any of Hemmingway's novels, I was unfamiliar with the "Big Two Hearted River", but now I am aware of where one of my favorite beers got its name . . .

"The Big Two Hearted River" is a long short story published after Hemingway's death.

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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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FarmerDave wrote:
The part about the brook trout depends on what source you are reading and is likely NOT true.

They they were native to Lake Erie watershed as well as Superior, so why wouldn't they also be in St. Clair and Huron?

Fruthermore, some sources have them as native throughout the great lakes, others (mostly maps) for some reason show Michigan's lower peninsula as not part of their original range when it likely was. For example, the map on the TU website excluded Michigan, but shows that the Canadian side had them. That would be an amazing trick, don't you think? The streams are different on the Michigan side, and they were likely not common, but I'd find it hard to believe there were none.


Dave, Everything I've read is that they just weren't there in the lower penisula, but it would surprise me if they were migrants to some rivers in the Lower Penisula, there were slaters there. Maybe they didn't consider them the same fish.

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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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"The Big Two Hearted River" is a long short story published after Hemingway's death.


Sorry there Chaz. It was published in 1925. He didn't kill himself until 1961.

The Nick Adams Stories were published posthumously in 1972.

Posted on: 2013/9/14 18:31
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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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His short stories were much better than his books IMHO, though for who the bells toll was good. His fame is based more on his life than his writing.

I prefer John Steinbeck and Haig Brown, me

Posted on: 2013/9/14 21:07
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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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The Big Two Hearted River is a two parter and was published relatively early in Hemmingway's life. And he lost a fish the fish of a lifetime. Obviously.

you will find that a lot of the big craft brew folks derive their names from fly fishing, travesties, water quality, etc.

and hemmingway's live is >>>>> than awesome.

Posted on: 2013/9/16 0:00


Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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Dave, Everything I've read is that they just weren't there in the lower penisula, but it would surprise me if they were migrants to some rivers in the Lower Penisula, there were slaters there. Maybe they didn't consider them the same fish.


Yea, I'm finding that too, but still finding it hard to believe. All those lakes are interconnected with no physical berrior between them (until you get to Erie/Ontario. Superior had coasters, and I have read that lake Erie did too. Brook trout are native to Wisconsin (left side of lake Michigan) as well as the north and east sides of the other great lakes. Of course the ones in Wisconsin could have been restricted to Mississippi drainage.

Plus, the brook trout is the state fish of Michigan.

BTW, I did see one map that shows brook trout were native to the northern most part of the lower P, but I don't feel like looking it up again. I don't see it as being all that important, and I believe I did state it was my opinion and I have no problem leaving it at that.

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Re: In Search of Hemingway's Two Hearted River

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geebee wrote:
... His fame is based more on his life than his writing...


I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.

His lifestyle was "famous" because of the tremendous success he had as a writer.


Posted on: 2013/9/17 18:29
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